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Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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call me cynical, but would any country be willing to give up its land like that? Tribal lands only exist to give back a small fraction of stolen lands back. Would any country give land to another country just for goodwill?

Brittany and Galicia are both the result of an explicit land grant to British refugees from the English invasion.

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Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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The time is now to dredge and dump, and build fixed oceanic platforms at their territorial extremes, while the construction crews can still breathe air and weld cheaply.

The only motivation any other country has to preserve the EEZ of Tuvalu is to prevent Chinese fishermen from overfishing that part of the ocean into a dead zone, or Chinese excavators drilling all the oil/minerals out of the seabed. So they should play up that aspect, and then they may attract the necessary investment to make a big enough pile of sand at the right coordinates.

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Pure theater. > Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu was seeing a lot of coastal erosion. Coastal erosion, not climate change, not rising sea levels.

"Since 1993, sea levels have risen about 0.5cm (0.2 inches) per year, according to a 2011 Australian government report." That's 14 cm of elevation on sea level alone. Coastal erosion can be mitigated, but I don't think Tuvalu has the resources to build and deploy the required amount of breakwaters required to protect the island themselves. Climate change is something that has to be addressed at a global level. edit:…

I saw this episode. Gillian kept moving the professor's measuring stick..

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tuvalu exists as a state because the international community decided to let them. This is true of every state. If no one recognizes your claims, and then acts with impunity against you, you’re not a state.

Depends on how big of an army you have. Plenty of states get recognition not because other states want to, but because they have sufficient ability to defend their borders.

> Plenty of states get recognition … because they have sufficient ability to defend their borders.

This is not always the case. There was a time when IS had control of a significant unchanging area of land (and much more contested areas too, of course) but were never accepted as a state by many (any?) others. Hence being referred to as “so-called Islamic State” most of the time in news broadcasts.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Pure theater. > Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu was seeing a lot of coastal erosion. Coastal erosion, not climate change, not rising sea levels.

> Coastal erosion is the loss or displacement of land, or the long-term removal of sediment and rocks along the coastline due to the action of waves, currents, tides, wind-driven water, waterborne ice, or other impacts of storms. > According to the IPCC, sea level rise caused by climate change will increase coastal erosion worldwide, significantly changing the coasts and low-lying coastal areas. Interesting.

Yes, one of the causes of coastal erosion can be the effects of climate change. But what is the likelihood that the cause, or even partial cause, of this particular coastal erosion is climate change? I could be wrong, but I doubt that that causation is readily provable in this case. Hence some people that value a strong, empirical case for things like this will tend to take it more as theater than science. I personally think that stunts like this hurt rather than help the cause. But that's just my two cents.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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They should look at the metaverse. I am told that is the future.

I think this is the premise of 1995 Sci-Fi channel classic CARVER'S GATE -- in a grim future where the planet's ecosystem is ruined and its remaining inhabitants struggle to survive, anybody who can afford spends all their time inside their VR helmets living out escapist fantasies. The motivating issue in that film is that a bunch of people play video games, a scientist invents a tool that allows the Doom monsters to…

Snow Crash as well, although their physical world is less ecodisaster and more corporate hellscape.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Others are citing various examples of states without territory, such as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta or various governments-in-exile throughout history, so I thought I'd throw Estonia into the ring, which has its government backed up in Luxembourg in case the Russians invade: https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/data-embassy/
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