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Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by vehbisarikaya »

ocschwar wrote: post #17
rectang wrote: post #3

If the worst case scenario happens and Tuvalu is submerged, how will the state manage to survive even without territory? Is that in the best interest of its citizens? Can any of the nation's collective wealth be preserved, either in the form of an enduring landless state as proposed, or by in some way transferring that wealth as the citizens emigrate somewhere else? Or is this proposal the futile death throes of a st…

Tuvalu exists as a state because the international community decided to let them. They export coconuts and fishing licenses for hard currency, and there is no way they could muster the money and hardware to defend their patch of the ocean. So if the same institutions that decided to enable the foundation of the republic of Tuvalu decide to protect Tuvualuan territorial waters as a way to give the Tuvaluan diaspora so…

They also export .tv domains (e.g., twitch.tv)

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by donkeyd »

awestroke wrote: post #24
nharada wrote: post #12

So have we moved from "climate change isn't real" to "it's real but we aren't gonna do anything"? Nobody making long term plans is questioning the science of it, they're just trying to figure out how to be the last ones to starve.

What's the alternative?

Rigorous global change... But we all know that's not going to happen.

So now the plan is just 'improvise, adapt and overcome'.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by beervirus »

Pure theater.

> Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu was seeing a lot of coastal erosion.

Coastal erosion, not climate change, not rising sea levels.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by ocschwar »

vehbisarikaya wrote: post #31
ocschwar wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tuvalu exists as a state because the international community decided to let them. They export coconuts and fishing licenses for hard currency, and there is no way they could muster the money and hardware to defend their patch of the ocean. So if the same institutions that decided to enable the foundation of the republic of Tuvalu decide to protect Tuvualuan territorial waters as a way to give the Tuvaluan diaspora so…

They also export .tv domains (e.g., twitch.tv)

And before that they financed a significant part of their government's budget selling postage stamps to kids like me. Recognized sovereignty can be a source of money in all sorts of ways.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by EvanAnderson »

pkphilip wrote: post #23
rectang wrote: post #3

If the worst case scenario happens and Tuvalu is submerged, how will the state manage to survive even without territory? Is that in the best interest of its citizens? Can any of the nation's collective wealth be preserved, either in the form of an enduring landless state as proposed, or by in some way transferring that wealth as the citizens emigrate somewhere else? Or is this proposal the futile death throes of a st…

They can become a nation where citizens live on boats (if they are ok with that) or on dwellings that exist over water.. or they can increase the height of their island by bringing soil from elsewhere.. or they can make their own islands.

I feel like Kevin Costner should be involved somehow.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by Hamuko »

beervirus wrote: post #34

Pure theater. > Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu was seeing a lot of coastal erosion. Coastal erosion, not climate change, not rising sea levels.

>Coastal erosion is the loss or displacement of land, or the long-term removal of sediment and rocks along the coastline due to the action of waves, currents, tides, wind-driven water, waterborne ice, or other impacts of storms.

>According to the IPCC, sea level rise caused by climate change will increase coastal erosion worldwide, significantly changing the coasts and low-lying coastal areas.

Interesting.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by JackFr »

nharada wrote: post #12

So have we moved from "climate change isn't real" to "it's real but we aren't gonna do anything"? Nobody making long term plans is questioning the science of it, they're just trying to figure out how to be the last ones to starve.

Tuvalu is fewer than 10,500 people living on about 10 square miles of island.

Climate change is a real problem for them. But in terms of the cold calculus of global impact, the fate of Tuvalu is relatively minor.

Re: Tuvalu looking at legal ways to be a state if it is submerged

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Post by whymauri »

JackFr wrote: post #38
nharada wrote: post #12

So have we moved from "climate change isn't real" to "it's real but we aren't gonna do anything"? Nobody making long term plans is questioning the science of it, they're just trying to figure out how to be the last ones to starve.

Tuvalu is fewer than 10,500 people living on about 10 square miles of island. Climate change is a real problem for them. But in terms of the cold calculus of global impact, the fate of Tuvalu is relatively minor.

Tuvalu is not the only place impacted by climate change.
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