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Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by d1a2n »

quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

Uhhhmmm... Excuse me sweaty, but you're arguing with a professor of epidemiology based on your Google "research", so uhh, how about you leave the science to the experts and sit this one out.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by nuerow »

ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

> Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh?

You need to get your story straight. Things are quite simple as easy to understand once you take an honest look at the issue. For instance:

* The current generation of COVID-19 vaccines trains the immune system to have a fighting chance against COVID-19 and are effective at practically eliminating the risk of serious illness, but they do not prevent infection or spread.

* Some people cannot take the vaccine, such as the case of pregnant women until recently. Others do continue to be at risk even after taking the vaccine such as those plagued with comorbidities. See Colin Powell.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/colin-powell-suffered-from-a...

* The risk of spawning a new strain that is not handled by the vaccine is proportional to the number of infections, thus contributing to it's spread endangers us all. See how the Delta variant was spawned in India.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rising-covid-19-breakthrough-ca...

This is widely known by anyone who honestly cares about the subject and did a cursory search on the topic. In my case, the local vaccination drive distributed a leaflet explaining everything. Is any of this info new to you?

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by d1a2n »

nyxaiur wrote: post #2

Yeah, after the 6th spelling mistake in the first three paragraphs and checking the writers credentials further than the nice looking bio at the bottom I would flag it if I could.

I just skimmed the first several paragraphs and the only spelling mistake is "no where" instead of "nowhere". Though if imaginary spelling mistakes help you believe in the obvious BS coming out of the CDC and if that's necessary for your sanity, let's call it 6 mistakes.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by nuerow »

ergocoder wrote: post #24
KyeRussell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly it just sounds like you’ve bought into the politics of it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result of new observations. > If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? Who is “people”? Are you using a consistent source? If your point is that people have different understandings of ap…

Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore, covid is seen as not a big deal. Because if covid is a huge deal, we wouldn't trade dead kids with educating kids. Being alive would almost always come first

>.Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore, covid is seen as not a big deal.

COVID-19 is not the big deal it was a few months ago because back then vaccine rollout barely started. Right now, those who still haven't got the jab either can't take it yet or are outright refusing to take it.

Meanwhile, children can't be vaccinated but enjoy a low risk of developing serious illness.

Given the scenario, it was necessary to evaluate the risk of deciding whether to impose a lockdown onto the school population, which would be largely incoherent and disproportionate to the risk, or returning to school while enforcing basic and low-effort health and safety measures, such as wearing masks and respect social distancing. Most of the world, if not all, chose to resume the school year with students returning to school.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by mousepilot »

quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

Unfortunately at this stage of the pandemic, most peoples minds are made up about everything. There's enough refusenics that the virus will find a reservoir to do its mutating thing, so I think no matter what sensible people say its just a moot point.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by thrashh »

ergocoder wrote: post #24
KyeRussell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly it just sounds like you’ve bought into the politics of it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result of new observations. > If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? Who is “people”? Are you using a consistent source? If your point is that people have different understandings of ap…

Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore, covid is seen as not a big deal. Because if covid is a huge deal, we wouldn't trade dead kids with educating kids. Being alive would almost always come first

I’m not arguing the issue here, but what you said is not an argument.

Studies have shown that people fare poorly with judging non-immediate risk. Look how many people deal with type II diabetes.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by nyxaiur »

d1a2n wrote: post #34
nyxaiur wrote: post #2

Yeah, after the 6th spelling mistake in the first three paragraphs and checking the writers credentials further than the nice looking bio at the bottom I would flag it if I could.

I just skimmed the first several paragraphs and the only spelling mistake is "no where" instead of "nowhere". Though if imaginary spelling mistakes help you believe in the obvious BS coming out of the CDC and if that's necessary for your sanity, let's call it 6 mistakes.

That's not the burn you want it to be lol.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

nuerow wrote: post #33
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

> Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? You need to get your story straight. Things are quite simple as easy to understand once you take an honest look at the issue. For instance: * The current generation of COVID-19 vaccines trains the immune system to have a fighting chance against COVID-19 and are effective…

From your reasons, opening school is extremely unsafe since kids cannot be vaccinated.

So, what is with the contradictory actions?

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

nuerow wrote: post #27
ergocoder wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are comparing that with kids dying from covid or having long covid, right? I suppose dead kids is cheaper than working with kids at home. That is an absurd decision.

> That is an absurd decision. Your decision is absurd because that was exactly why you chose to set your strawman like that. If you take a step back and force yourself to take a honest and reasonable look at what the OP really said, you'll quickly understand that all caring parents, even when considering that the average children's risk of serious illness is relatively low, do have a high risk aversion regarding thei…

> the average children's risk of serious illness is relatively low

There you go. As I mentioned, when pointing out about school reopening, now covid isn't a huge deal.

But unvaccinated 20-29 years old is like the biggest deal ever.

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