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For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

I have no idea what to believe anymore.

Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh?

Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back).

If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay?

We try too hard to use unvaccinated as a scapegoat of the bad crisis management.

Do you remember how Fauci undermined all masks in the beginning? I do.

Fauci still try to pin it on unvaccinated when schools are still open..

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#12

Post by throwntoday »

quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards and won't speak out against patently false information in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#13

Post by schwartzworld »

ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

> Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people

I can't speak for everyone, but even with a vaccine I can still transmit covid to my young children. I'll breathe easier once they are vaccinated too.

> Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated

There are other factors besides COVID. Quarantine was not good for our kids, and we made the decision to send them back too school when we saw how much they were suffering due to lack of socialization.

Additionally, working with kids at home was next to impossible. We are taking a calculated risk sending them back because the bills, unfortunately, do not pay themselves. It was not an easy decision.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#14

Post by pangolinplayer »

quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

It's a sham

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#15

Post by KyeRussell »

ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

Honestly it just sounds like you’ve bought into the politics of it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result of new observations.

> If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay?

Who is “people”?

Are you using a consistent source?

If your point is that people have different understandings of appropriate COVID responses, then I guess I agree, but I don’t think that that’s the point that you’re trying to make.

More to the point, I can’t see how any government response could combat the fact that in 2021 everyone is an expert and disinformation is rife. This is a pre-existing condition.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#16

Post by Spivak »

ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

I think you’re talking about the opinions of two different groups which is why they conflict.

I’m fully vaxxed plus a booster and I don’t really want to be around unmasked unvaxxed people if I can help it. Like the vaccine isn’t magic, the effectiveness drops over time and more exposures compounds the risk. There’s zero gain to be around a high risk group, especially when it’s so easy to avoid right now. And I still wear a mask and encourage others to as well (not that it matters because there are still mandates) because I don’t want to accidentally be an asymptotic carrier to someone, especially someone unvaccinated — I have friends and family with weak immune systems and kids. Wearing a mask costs me nothing, especially now that it’s cold and keeps my face warm, and might do some good.

I also think it is monumentally stupid that schools around here opened. Sure yeah, pack kids in poorly ventilated rooms for 8 hours a day, nothing bad will happen there.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by zeruch »

ziml77 wrote: post #5
charbonneau2 wrote: post #4

> The data in support of this is massive, and quite certain. Continues without providing data.

Because it's just a blog site for people frustrated by the lockdowns with a fancy sounding name.

It's a bit worse than that. Its the Brownstone "Institute", basically a front for 'anarcho-capitalist' (read: wannabe Peter Thiel on steroids and bitcoin) Jeffrey Tucker.

It's buffoonish, but easy to spot.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#18

Post by atoav »

xkbarkar wrote: post #7
quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

Right. Did you even read the “source” you provided? Anyone who uses the 2 infected hairdressers as proof masks work has lost all credibility. Its the kind of scientism that thrives on social media. You do realize that half of the supposedly covid free clientel declined a pcr test? They just said they felt fine. I would not have gotten a passing grade in high scool if I had turned that paper in as proof of masking. Si…

Sorry but masks are not a very disputes issue anymore. I mean it is a airborne virus, how other than filtering air you breath in and out would you practically target it?

Weirdly enough nobody seems to doubt HEPA filters work. Maybe because they are more convenient and don't demand that you wear a piece of cloth in your face?

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#19

Post by zeruch »

nyxaiur wrote: post #2

Yeah, after the 6th spelling mistake in the first three paragraphs and checking the writers credentials further than the nice looking bio at the bottom I would flag it if I could.

Even if I didnt know already that Brownstone is more akin to Clownstone (really, its founder is someone Ayn Rand might have an onanistic seizure for, with all the self-righteous dweebishness that implies) and I'm pretty sure editing is one of the last things that it cares about, as long as its anti-mask, anti-vax, anti governments of any kind schtick is maintained.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#20

Post by atoav »

throwntoday wrote: post #12
quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards and won't speak out against patently false information in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.

I have experienced the polar opposite (non US citizen)
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