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Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

> (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.)

"The intervention increased proper mask-wearing from 13.3% in control villages (N=806,547 observations) to 42.3% in treatment villages (N=797,715 observations) (adjusted percentage point difference = 0.29 \[0.27, 0.31\]). This tripling of mask usage was sustained during the intervention period and two weeks after. \[...\] The proportion of individuals with COVID-like symptoms was __7.62%__ (N=13,273) in the intervention arm and __8.62%__ (N=13,893) in the control arm." - ["The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh" (2021)](https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publicati...)

"SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021." - ["Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections" (2021)](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...)

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

schwartzworld wrote: post #13
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

> Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people I can't speak for everyone, but even with a vaccine I can still transmit covid to my young children. I'll breathe easier once they are vaccinated too. > Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated There are other factors besides COVID. Quarantine was not good for our kids, and we made the decision to se…

We are comparing that with kids dying from covid or having long covid, right?

I suppose dead kids is cheaper than working with kids at home.

That is an absurd decision.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

KyeRussell wrote: post #15
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

Honestly it just sounds like you’ve bought into the politics of it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result of new observations. > If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? Who is “people”? Are you using a consistent source? If your point is that people have different understandings of ap…

Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore, covid is seen as not a big deal.

Because if covid is a huge deal, we wouldn't trade dead kids with educating kids. Being alive would almost always come first

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by ergocoder »

Spivak wrote: post #16
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

I think you’re talking about the opinions of two different groups which is why they conflict. I’m fully vaxxed plus a booster and I don’t really want to be around unmasked unvaxxed people if I can help it. Like the vaccine isn’t magic, the effectiveness drops over time and more exposures compounds the risk. There’s zero gain to be around a high risk group, especially when it’s so easy to avoid right now. And I still…

The question now is for how long we will need to keep prevent weakimmune people.

Didn't they have this exact problem before covid with 1000 other diseases?

At this point, it seems weak immune people are weaponized.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by helge9210 »

schwartzworld wrote: post #13
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

> Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people I can't speak for everyone, but even with a vaccine I can still transmit covid to my young children. I'll breathe easier once they are vaccinated too. > Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated There are other factors besides COVID. Quarantine was not good for our kids, and we made the decision to se…

> I'll breathe easier once they are vaccinated too

What if vaccination won't help to reduce your anxiety?

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by nuerow »

ergocoder wrote: post #23
schwartzworld wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people I can't speak for everyone, but even with a vaccine I can still transmit covid to my young children. I'll breathe easier once they are vaccinated too. > Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated There are other factors besides COVID. Quarantine was not good for our kids, and we made the decision to se…

We are comparing that with kids dying from covid or having long covid, right? I suppose dead kids is cheaper than working with kids at home. That is an absurd decision.

> That is an absurd decision.

Your decision is absurd because that was exactly why you chose to set your strawman like that.

If you take a step back and force yourself to take a honest and reasonable look at what the OP really said, you'll quickly understand that all caring parents, even when considering that the average children's risk of serious illness is relatively low, do have a high risk aversion regarding their well-being. Therefore, they breathe easier if their kids' immune system is well trained and prepared to handle an infection, which is precisely what you get when you're vaccinated.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by bumpersstickers »

ergocoder wrote: post #24
KyeRussell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly it just sounds like you’ve bought into the politics of it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result of new observations. > If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? Who is “people”? Are you using a consistent source? If your point is that people have different understandings of ap…

Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore, covid is seen as not a big deal. Because if covid is a huge deal, we wouldn't trade dead kids with educating kids. Being alive would almost always come first

The obvious conclusion is that it’s total bullshit: the two mechanisms driving this are “I want to keep working from home.” AND “I am not an individual, therefore no one else is.” THEREFORE “Blah blah blah lies and crap”

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by bumpersstickers »

Spivak wrote: post #16
ergocoder wrote: post #11

I have no idea what to believe anymore. Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be vaccinated (this is since a few months back). If you point that out, people will counter back with covid doesn't impact kids. Well, okay? We try too hard to use unvaccinated…

I think you’re talking about the opinions of two different groups which is why they conflict. I’m fully vaxxed plus a booster and I don’t really want to be around unmasked unvaxxed people if I can help it. Like the vaccine isn’t magic, the effectiveness drops over time and more exposures compounds the risk. There’s zero gain to be around a high risk group, especially when it’s so easy to avoid right now. And I still…

That’s not a vaccine then you overly-dense array of atoms.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by nuerow »

throwntoday wrote: post #12
quitit wrote: post #6

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real…

It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards and won't speak out against patently false information in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.

> It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards (...)

Before you go on attacking others for being cowards, what would you do if you started receiving death threats because you chose to speak publiy about an issue which an extremist political movement frowns upon?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02757-3

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