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Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Well hopefully money serves as a tool for prioritizing resources for important problems. Seems to be working well in this case.

The added incentive is survival of the species.

Big Pharma will not invest in a research program they know will lose money, even if that money-losing situation is the successful case which saves humanity from extinction.

They will do the work, if the money comes from somewhere else.

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The added incentive is survival of the species.

Lets not overdo it. Covid is not wiping out the human species.

Maybe it could if left unchecked and mutating up and down ?

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I live in Kansas and have basically forgotten COVID is a thing. The people who wanted to get vaccinated like me have and those who haven’t, haven’t. Nobody asks about it and no businesses have any sort of mask requirements. Half of the people at the grocery store wear masks and the other half don’t. Everyone seems to be getting along. Next door in Kansas City Missouri I stopped at a gas station and an employee was sh…

> I guess 5 miles difference magically makes COVID much more contagious. No, 5 miles means you have a different government with a different policy response. (The difference itself doesn't justify either side.) That's just inherent in the existence of political borders.

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Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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>I guess 5 miles difference magically makes COVID much more contagious. In my nearest town (in the UK) there are two supermarkets. In the budget one (Aldi) nobody wears a mask, in the upmarket one (Waitrose) everybody does.

I've noticed that, Waitroses and doctor's surgeries seem to be the last bastion of English mask-wearing. I wonder what the correlation actually is fundamentally? Waitrose's clientele are wealthier and therefore older and more concious of COVID?

It's virtue signaling

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Therefore how can you trust this drug? Follow the money! It’s just big science trying to propagate a pandemic to make more money! If this sounds insane, we’ll ok just reflecting the common anti vax sentiments I hear on this web site (ugh).

It won't happen, because the explicit arguments are just pretexts. After The Lancet/Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy (and other popular media figures), the word "vaccine" is now simply triggering of aggressive suspicion. That media panic combining with: 1) the 80s New Age/Self-Help/Healthy Living/Naturopathic flakes, 2) the suspicions of black people who are generally neglected and sometimes abused by the health care ind…

I'm actually on a personal countdown until I hear the first argument that this safe, effective, experimental pill is a reason not to take the dangerous, pointless, experimental vaccine, and that big pharma wants you to take the vaccine instead of the pill because reasons.

That ship sailed weeks ago on the Twittersphere, once news of the new drug's development came out. According to half of the idiots, the announcement explains why horse paste had to be "suppressed," given that ivermectin was inexpensive, already approved for human use, and unpatentable. The other half maintained that no, the new Pfizer compound was unalloyed good news, because they no longer needed to worry about getting the "untested," "experimental" vaccine.

Covid-19 was actually pretty mild when it comes down to it, when a real disease comes along, we're all dead.

Exactly, SARS-CoV-2 amounts to a dress rehearsal. We know how the real thing is going to play out now, and oh, boy.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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It’s crazy that money is such a huge incentive. Knowing that a cure for Covid is a potentially $100B market means you throw the kitchen sink at it. Imagine being this lab. Do you think they ever had trouble hiring an assistant? Buying new equipment? Getting bonuses? This environment must be fantastically different from the typical meat grinder of bio R&D.

I know people who have worked on some pretty revolutionary cardiac drugs that got laid off once their project was complete. It'll still be a meatgrinder for the talent behind these drugs. The spoils are further up the food chain.

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Every business exists to make money, the same with most people.

So no business can exist that seeks something other than money? Non-profits and not-for-profits are not businesses?

Non profit organizations still need money to operate. They still pay their employees with money. They still must earn revenue somehow to cover their operations, unless they are entirely funded by an endowment. The only difference from for-profit companies is that they don't earn returns for investors.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Oh I think it will be gladly accepted by unvaccinated folk. The reason being is most unvaccinated people don’t believe it isn’t effective, they don’t like being forced to protect themselves by a bunch of moral busybodies. I just accepted as soon as we saw that covid was spreading so quickly, welp I’m gonna get that. I figured I wouldn’t be that affected by it and wasn’t. Our parents said, well if I get it I get it, a…

>The reason being is most unvaccinated people don’t believe it isn’t effective, they don’t like being forced to protect themselves by a bunch of moral busybodies. I think this is something that's very understated in public discussion around COVID-19, I got vaccinated because I weighed up the odds and thought it made sense from both a social and a personal cost/benefit perspective. I didn't get vaccinated because I wa…

People are stupid. As a species, we've survived despite this, but as Carlin used to say; "“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

People hold irrational beliefs (JFK Jr. is still alive), the earth is flat, on and on.

And America in many respects can be incredibly anti-intellectual. Being smart is often a negative in a lot of environments.

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post #169

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I live in Kansas and have basically forgotten COVID is a thing. The people who wanted to get vaccinated like me have and those who haven’t, haven’t. Nobody asks about it and no businesses have any sort of mask requirements. Half of the people at the grocery store wear masks and the other half don’t. Everyone seems to be getting along. Next door in Kansas City Missouri I stopped at a gas station and an employee was sh…

In California, except for wearing masks in retail establishments, everything has been back to normal for months. School has been full time in person, and traffic sucks once again.

Where are you in CA? Here in the Bay Area, at least East Bay, you have to wear a mask to go shopping. >90% of people at the parks are wearing masks, we can't go into the daycare to pick up our son and the nanny wears a mask all day, you can't sit in a restaurant unless you show your id and paperwork proving you have a vaccine. Heck, I see kids and adults riding their bikes or skateboarding without a helmet or any protection but they have their mask on! Not sure what "normal" meant to you before, but it's definitely not any definition of normal to me, unless you take it that we are going to be living with all of this forever.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Masks became a regular fixture in Asia after original SARS. Not by regulation, but they just became an ordinary item used by people to avoid getting sick or avoid getting others sick.

Having been to many parts of Asia before Covid hit, masks were indeed not unusual, but were never worn by _everyone_ or even the majority of people, even in crowded places like subways.

Ah, yes that’s more what I meant to say. We’ll get to a place where masks aren’t required anywhere, but we may never return to a world where masks are a weird or unusual sight.
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