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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by voz_ »

b112 wrote: post #60
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

But unlike every other nation on Earth, they took over land belonging to others! In case people don't notice, that's extreme sarcasm. Every nation on Earth has taken over others, just look at the native peoples of every country in North and South America, of Nordic Countries, Australia. Look at how Europe's borders were re-written 1000 times. Africa. The Middle East. If the beef is (and it seems to be for some) that…

I'd like to point out that the current generation of both the palestinians and the jews did not take or give land. The people who did are pretty much gone. At this point, there's not much to be done - both sides were both there.

A more interesting discussion, I think, is why does Hamas consistently reject the Israeli peace offering and two state solution?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by voz_ »

jacknews wrote: post #54
voz_ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has palestinians and arabs as part of its government, and they can get citizenship and full rights. Is the reverse true anywhere else in the middle east? Can Jews get citizenship and participate in government in any middle eastern country?

Jewish people, or anyone in fact, can't just pitch up, enclose some land and build a settlement, and then claim citizenship over it in other countries in the region, no.

If you think that is what happened, I have some books to recommend to you.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by chuckee »

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

> progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals.

Which other ethno-nationalist states do you laud this way?

It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory. - https://web.archive.org/web/20210519103412/https://www.adl.o...

Eritrean migrants resettled from Israel to Sweden [..] The resettlement - which Israeli NGOs said included 54 Eritrean women – was part of the “ongoing process of willful deportation to Sweden,” - https://www.jpost.com/National-News/Eritrean-migrants-resett...

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by [deleted] »

inglor_cz wrote: post #19
yosito wrote: post #7

I wonder what level of cognitive dissonance one must live with to work for a surveillance capitalist company while constantly taking activist stances against which customers that company works with.

This is already acquired at a university, where "soak the rich" and "corporate greed" is unironically used - at an institution that hikes tuition prices all the time and whose constant appetite for squeezing more money from students and parents alike significantly contributed to the stagnation of middle class life standards in America. The difference between Google and Uni is that Google pays you, though. As such, th…

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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by mysecretaccount »

voz_ wrote: post #68
mysecretaccount wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you genuinely want to understand criticism of Israel, the Wikipedia article for Israel is a good starting place. I am not being flip or sarcastic – you are repeating a lot of nationalist propaganda and may benefit from a different perspective.

I lived there for a bit. During that time, I volunteered at a refugee camp for Palestinians. My sentiment was shared by a good number of them. The unified thread there is a hate for Hamas. I know you didn't know that, but with that in mind, I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much.

> I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much.

We agree on this point, but perhaps it will encourage good-faith research for someone reading this thread that has not bought into apartheid propaganda.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by lotsofpulp »

b112 wrote: post #45
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

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Why not? Everything is up for negotiation. If the employees are that in demand, then they will have a “privileged” voice. If not, they will get terminated and not matter.

I don't believe refusing to work due to a company's politics, is viable protected status. Nor is protesting the company you work for. Or, even in most cases showing the company in a bad light. The current trend will change, 100%. Hands down, there's feast and famine, regardless of the job. On top of that, there are raises, promotions, and opportunities. I guarantee you, those getting the best raises, opportunities, t…

> I don't believe refusing to work due to a company's politics, is viable protected status. Nor is protesting the company you work for. Or, even in most cases showing the company in a bad light.

I do not think anyone claimed it is a protected status.

> Note, I'm not saying that one shouldn't take ideological stances, just that people are living in a fantasy land, if they think it won't effect them.

I do not think the employees even in this case think it will not effect them. Hence all but 3 remaining anonymous.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by _3u10 »

bobbybabylon wrote: post #40
_3u10 wrote: post #6

It’s hard to think of a country in the Middle East with more rights and freedoms or a better human rights record. I know I’ll get a lot of downvotes for saying that, but what I’d like is an objective measure on which another country in the area beats Israel

Saying that your country has the best human rights record in the Middle East is like saying your country is the richest in Africa. Just because it is true doesn't mean it is good.

Israel ranks higher than many EU countries including Greece. Out of 173 countries Israel ranks 33rd. Think about that, only 32 countries in the world are more free than Israel. It ranks higher than the US.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/human_rights_rule_...

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by voz_ »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #75
voz_ wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived there for a bit. During that time, I volunteered at a refugee camp for Palestinians. My sentiment was shared by a good number of them. The unified thread there is a hate for Hamas. I know you didn't know that, but with that in mind, I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much.

> I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much. We agree on this point, but perhaps it will encourage good-faith research for someone reading this thread that has not bought into apartheid propaganda.

Thanks for accusing me of that. In what way is at an apartheid? There is no systematic discrimination based on race in Israel. I cannot say the same for other countries, esp when it comes to Jews.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by null_deref »

ido wrote: post #56
hyproxia wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they mean Arabs and others

Arab isn't a nationality (neither is Jewish), and if you read further they explained they mean "Jewish background".

A lot of Jewish people see Judaism as both nationality and religion.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by excuseme »

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

Have you ever asked yourself how Israel started to exist in the first place?

Do you know how many Palestinians were killed and how many others become refugees until this day (since 1948) living in refugee camps in the West bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria?

Rockets? Do you know that the Palestinians have been fighting since 1948 and for decades their only weapon was rocks? yes rocks.

Did you ask yourself, why are the Palestinians fighting in the first place? have you ever visited the west bank?

Palestinians are not all Hamas, and even Hamas have a just cause.

Human rights? have you ever seen how Israel treat Palestinian human rights?

*Update*: oh wait, you're being sarcastic right? because that's the only way your comment will make sense

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