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Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by yakattak »

nottorp wrote: post #308
FooHentai wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree with everything you said, but to me one key piece of the minecraft ecosystem rules it out as a meta verse contender - every one of those permutations you mentioned drops players into their own isolated environment which does not interact with any others. At best you can pop a few hundred people into a server specially configured for that, or use a discord/irc shim to bridge chat across a few instances. I get th…

Check out the large scale MMOs. No one interacts with everyone else. They find a guild and play with those people. It's not that hard to find a different minecraft server, there are bazillions of server lists. That would be the equivalent of changing guild or being in several guilds at the same time. I don't think we humans want to be part of a large crowd. More like part of one or more small groups. Before the inter…

> No one interacts with everyone else. They find a guild and play with those people.

This really depends on the MMO. In World of Warcraft, yes this is majorly the case in the past few years. In games like FFXIV, this is most certainly not the case.

WoW enables the behavior of only playing with your guild because the community at large is toxic which is also enabled by the game.

FFXIV has a much stronger community, players greeting each other in cities, sitting down to watch a Bard play video game music on a harp or everyone chatting in party chat through cutscenes in main story dungeons.

There is a sense of community in these games that draws people to them. I think certain groups of people do want to be a part of a large crowd, but not when doing so puts them at risk of being put down like in WoW.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by nottorp »

randomsearch wrote: post #200

“What is so hard for people to understand” says HN commenter: “the metaverse clearly means [my definition of the metaverse] why can’t people see this?!!” Well, Zuckerberg didn’t give a clear definition, the term itself is made up, and it doesn’t currently exist (otherwise, what would we be building?). So no you don’t know what it means or how it will turn out, and neither does Zuckerberg. He might have a vision of wh…

> “What is so hard for people to understand” says HN commenter: “the metaverse clearly means [my definition of the metaverse] why can’t people see this?!!”

The point of the article is that the metaverse is here and it's decentralized enough that the other 7 billion people that don't care about the opinion of one specific HN commenter are doing their own thing.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by nottorp »

polycaster wrote: post #113

Since I watched the highlights reel mentioned in the article [1] I wonder if there exists sort of a doctrine in recent PR video production to always include a super annoying aspect of choreography to keep people from thinking too long about the actual message. Here Zuck and friends are trying neurotically to keep their fingertips at 1cm distance at any time. Waving their hands as if they were mockups. In recent Apple…

That's why you shouldn't watch - or even listen to - someone who's trying to sell you something. You're too likely to be influenced by their acting skills.

Just read the transcript or the summaries in written news.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by garydevenay »

vintermann wrote: post #291
ano88888 wrote: post #239

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but you need to realize what is possible today will not be the same as what will be available 10 or 20 years down to road with so much dollars pouring into research from all these big corporations/governments around the world.

Plenty of "metaversy" things are possible today, but rejected by users. Second Life is a tiny niche. Connecting Minecraft servers with portals has been possible for ages, and smooth connections seems like it wouldn't be terribly difficult, yet no one uses it because no one wants it. And despite the huge increases in VR quality that has happened already, none of this has changed. You suggest it's because the VR isn't…

> Plenty of "metaversy" things are possible today, but rejected by users.

While I agree with you on this; online dating was seen as something only desperate people would do, until it was for everyone.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by nottorp »

1ibsq wrote: post #282
sweetbitter wrote: post #60

Yeah. The totally lawless environments that can be present in Minecraft servers are awesome- the best example of which being 2b2t, a vanilla gameserver running the same map since 2010 that is essentially the 4chan of Minecraft (it even originated there). Despite allowing users to hack to their hearts' content and having no rules, the creativity and sheer amount of media produced by such an environment is stunning. He…

2b2t is a fascinating place. I always thought, this is the way Minecraft is meant to be played. The comic series is legendary, but I don't think people can make something out of the animation video without context.

And that is why the "metaverse" will succeed if it's decentralized.

I wouldn't touch a MC server that has no grief prevention. But you can have your 4chan and I can have my builder server and we're both happy. Because there's no central authority telling us how to run our pieces of "metaverse".

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by krzyk »

vineyardmike wrote: post #41
clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

I read a recent interview from mark zuck about the metaverse and someone asked him a similar question. He had an actually really insightful answer. 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games. (The actual per-person-per-day numbers are very high compared to the average 2hr/week i watch tv but whatever). Most of TV and Video Games are about ignoring re…

> 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games.

Isn't that still about 60, or those without kids? I hardly can find a calm 30-60 mins per day to just sit and read, sometimes play for 30 mins (2 kids) just before sleep.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by mrintegrity »

pitched wrote: post #207
Sunspark wrote: post #193

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Why can't you have printed keycaps in VR?

I switched out keycaps IRL, not in VR. The idea was that, not being able to cheat by looking down would help improve my typing faster by forcing me to memorize the keys better. I’ve only gone from mid-50s wpm to now about 60ish but it’s helped more with the uncommon keys that don’t move the average as much. It’s those uncommon keys that kill me in VR though so it feels like a bigger bump.

about 20 years ago I was using the kde application Ktouch to learn touch typing.. it was highly effective compared to the competition of the time. Give it a try!

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by PeterisP »

8note wrote: post #110
vineyardmike wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a recent interview from mark zuck about the metaverse and someone asked him a similar question. He had an actually really insightful answer. 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games. (The actual per-person-per-day numbers are very high compared to the average 2hr/week i watch tv but whatever). Most of TV and Video Games are about ignoring re…

Can you actually wear the heavy goggles for that long?

Probably - there are various large groups of people who wear a helmet every day for most of the day, and goggles are comparable in weight to that.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by nottorp »

yakattak wrote: post #311
nottorp wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out the large scale MMOs. No one interacts with everyone else. They find a guild and play with those people. It's not that hard to find a different minecraft server, there are bazillions of server lists. That would be the equivalent of changing guild or being in several guilds at the same time. I don't think we humans want to be part of a large crowd. More like part of one or more small groups. Before the inter…

> No one interacts with everyone else. They find a guild and play with those people. This really depends on the MMO. In World of Warcraft, yes this is majorly the case in the past few years. In games like FFXIV, this is most certainly not the case. WoW enables the behavior of only playing with your guild because the community at large is toxic which is also enabled by the game. FFXIV has a much stronger community, pl…

WoW used to have that as well until they made a few community hostile changes. But there probably is a group you interact most with even in FF.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

And what about videogames? Some people spend thousands of hours each year playing videogames, and not all of them are high school or college students.
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