Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid • Hacker News Board

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 11:56 AM UTC

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How many people actually have the expertise to evalaute medical data like that? They don't. There's a very very small number of Hners that if they are honest with themselves are qualified to do that. I'm not saying that from a high and mghty position, I'm doing that from a place that I see HN talk incredibly ignorantly about all the time. HN is supposed to be smart. You give the average person the ability to do "rese…

The legitimacy process of peer review may also be called into question in reference to the recent joint works done by James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and Helen Pluckrose. And they aren't even "right-wing" though the mainstream portrays them to be.

James has been red pilled. Heather and Peter not so much

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 1:36 PM UTC

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Here's an analogy originally from Pam Popper. You wouldn't go to a car dealership and buy the car that the dealer recommends. You study up on the models available and choose the one most appropriate for you. And even if you don't know much about the mechanics of cars, even how to change your oil, you probably do a pretty good job, at least better than choosing the car the dealer recommends. Yet the majority of people…

That's a terrible analogy. Within a general class of vehicles there are typically only a handful of available options. And competition means they're all pretty good. You're not going to go too far wrong buying, let's say, a Toyota RAV4 even if a Subaru Forester might be a better option. And most consumers don't even bother to do much research before selecting a car. They buy the Toyota because they had one before and…

The last two drugs doctors put me on have contributed to my life being ruined for the past 5 years

I was given Tremfya, a biologic, for mild psoriasis. I've had a horrible reaction to it and it's exacerbated what used to be a minor autoimmune issue into something debilitating.

After autoimmune destroying my life, I was given Lexapro for anxiety which took my anxiety levels from like a 5 out of 10 to a 1000. Even after being off it for a year, I'm still really messed up and haven't gone back to pre-lexapro levels.

I was given gabapentin for neuropathic pain. It did nothing for my pain but now I have full body shivers and twitches and I have horrible withdrawal trying to get off gabapentin gradually.

Doctors push what the pharmaceutical companies tell them too.

Look into the effects of cipro and -floxin type antibiotics causing lifelong neuropathy.

My mother developed AVN from prednisone - causing her to need dual hip and dual shoulder replacements bc her reaction to the steroid caused her joints to turn necrotic.

Her lack of mobility and age has come with higher blood pressure.

Her blood pressure medication gave her gout.

"trust the experts"

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #61

aemreunal wrote: post #38

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> You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. I'm not sure this applies to medicine or vaccines. I don't think any of us are in the position of "making up our own mind" about what works in medicine and what doesn't, which is why we have double-blind clinical studies. We can't even explain why/how placebo works.

You have to be in the position of being your own medical advocate. I had a condition that was misdiagnosed repeatedly, including in the ER. My condition is not even "rare", just slightly uncommon, and I had a very textbook case of it. Your doctor is not an oracle. They are a car mechanic that works on organics.

You're not allowed to be your own medical advocate now.

Don't get onboard - you'll lose your job. Even if you work from home.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

tinus_hn wrote: post #104

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You have to be in the position of being your own medical advocate. I had a condition that was misdiagnosed repeatedly, including in the ER. My condition is not even "rare", just slightly uncommon, and I had a very textbook case of it. Your doctor is not an oracle. They are a car mechanic that works on organics.

Not to mention that it’s hardly extraordinary for two doctors to have two different opinions on the same case. What does that mean? That there are two conflicting absolute truths?

There's only one truth.

That's the doctors that MSNBC interviews. Nothing else.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

aemreunal wrote: post #38

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>Prior to studies being done, how do we evaluate who is a quack and who is correct You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. >I would argue that anyone who had a solution to Covid should rush to get it published in a reputable Any tool thats not a vaccine gets associated with Trump or the right wing and is dismissed. Its even stifled funding for anti-virals that give a 50% reduction in hospitaliza…

> You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. I'm not sure this applies to medicine or vaccines. I don't think any of us are in the position of "making up our own mind" about what works in medicine and what doesn't, which is why we have double-blind clinical studies. We can't even explain why/how placebo works.

you do realize a ton of FDA drugs that have been studied and studied and approved.....

have tons of side effects and still are up to patients as to whether or not to take them - gabapentin for neuropathic pain.

biologics for autoimmune disorders.

we don't force anti-biotics on anyone.

we don't force anxiety meds on anyone.

find me a drug that's doled out by the establishment who hasn't destroyed someone's life or even ended their live.

the same establishment that created the opiate epidemic is saying "trust us now"..

The same one that over prescribes antibiotics, especially dangerous ones like Cipro that gives people neurapthic pain for their entire lives.

Dermalogists hand out Biologics for even mild psoriasis - which states in the literature "we do not entirely now how or why this works" (Tremfya) and "may cause cancer". (Humira)

Cardiologists will prescribe blood pressure pills without realizing someone might have kidney damage or high uric acid and then the pills end up giving them gout.

anti-anxiety meds are a "try all of them and see which one works for you!" but every single one of them has a list of side effects and can make your anxiety/depression a million times worse. getting off of them has a "discontinuation syndrome" which can fuck you up for years.

Prednisone gave my mother AVN - an autoimmune disorder that turned her joints necrotic - requiring 2 shoulder and 2 hip replacements.

"Trust us" they say - as they lie about the usefulness of masks.

Trust us they say as they lie about lab leak theories

Trust us they say as they told us that we'd need 60% of herd immunity, then changed it to 70% then to 80% and now saying we'll never reach it b/c you don't get herd immunity with a corona virus. It's just with us forever, but hey.. keep getting 3, 4 5 shots forever.

Trust us. We're the experts. The captured FDA. BigPharma and all the doctors you go to that control them

Trust us as we yank peer reviewed studies from journals b/c it conflicts with our messaging.

So yes - people are in a good god damned position to at least TRY to process it.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by UnFleshedOne » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 6:13 PM UTC

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Obesity is a critical risk factor. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c... https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-...

Look at your cdc link and it proves my point. I never said obesity wasn’t a risk factor, just that covid is plenty dangerous to the non obese as well. “ More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6” This is from your link - even if…

Remember the swiss cheese model? Or lockdowns to manage the curve? Those 30% could be reduced. Also whatever percentage had bad cases because of vitamin D deficiency. Yet no messaging on staying healthy at all...

Because since not everyone can improve their immune function, nobody should, right? Messaging otherwise would be ableist or give people an idea that they could do something aside from hunkering down, and that's more important than reducing hospitalizations and saving lives...

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Post by UnFleshedOne » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 6:37 PM UTC

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that humans should take the animal version.

There are plenty of Facebook and YouTube guides about taking animal ivermectin as a replacement for human-rated medicine. That said hopefully here on HN we can agree that is a dumb idea.

The only reason for that is difficulty of getting prescription for human version and then difficulty filling it (because of blue pilled pharmacists). Remove those impediments and you'll reduce incidence of poisonings in half (from 4 cases total to 2)!