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The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Yeah and I have Type 1 diabetes and inject myself with insulin. I’m kinda glad that we bent the world to my will there.

As if insulin had the same impact as the millions of ac units used to live in the middle of deserts

You bring that up as a bad in this context, where enironmental impact because of poor ways of generating electricity is not relevant.

AC has had an extremely positive impact. Simple uses energy == bad reasoning hasn't.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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I think what is sorely missing from the entire debate, is a clear definition of what a metaverse actually is. This article here seems to believe that the metaverse is nothing but "internet VR". The talk by Carmack for the most part equates the metaverse with MMVR - massively multiuser virtual reality. But according to the explanation that Raph Koster (the mind behing metaplace - the only prior attempt at ever buildin…

Let's just call it the digital ecosystem and leave it at that.

Well, in that case all the current debate is meaningless.

Facebook already is a digital ecosystem company - they aren't changing anything at all.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

> In many countries, FB-only internet is free and that means FB-only internet is the internet for like a billion people.

I'm not so sure that this shows Facebook pulling off an odds-defying feat. AFAIK Facebook targeted people who would have never touched a mobile phone or have working internet otherwise. Any company with sufficiently deep pockets to subsidise internet for free could roll out a similar locked-down internet for these people.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Sometimes I dispare! Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, , all seem to be a threat to the open internet they themselves used to become what they are. Obviously MS and Apple were big prior but they did use the internet to become bigger and are a threat with their respective walled gardens.

I am not here to pretend I know anything about whatever the metaverse is, but I do know one thing if it's controlled by any of these companies it's gonna be bad for the people using it.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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I think there’s prior questions of what does interoperability actually add and why doesn’t it already exist? For example with the web the interoperability is really between the browser and websites rather than between websites. Although a few do interoperate. This is more similar to how Roblox or Steam works where one program lets you join lots of different games and maintains some common state than common ideas of i…

Interesting question, but doesn't a "metaverse" require interoperable applications to some extent? I think the Zuck use case was buying a t-shirt for a virtual avatar and I want to use that t-shirt in other applications. There is a matter of interoperability required at the level of the data that sits behind both applications as it pertains to the user that sits on the other side of those applications. (meaning just…

If that t-shirt isn't created procedurally, then any interoperability between differently themed worlds will just make everything look like 2nd Life, since an artist would have to create another, similar shirt in a style that fits.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

It proves he thinks everyone will follow along anyway It proves Apple’s data labels and growing awareness digital ads drive little business, which proved Facebook is a non-contributor to the economy in a real way Zuck is just looking to keep his good times rolling as interest fades. This isn’t courage, this is “the writing is on the wall, let’s try something sooner than later.”

That’s how I read the situation. I think FB is cool for Gen-X and above and they are trying desperately to appeal to a younger audience. They have no where to go but down if they don’t figure that out.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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I'm a software developer and i pass literraly 80% of my time working to make my family survive to this world, and honestly the only thing that i have in mind it's to flippin go in the forest for a walk, i don't understand the thing of wanting so much to be isolated and wear a fucking VR mask, this world is fucked up !

This isn't for you. It's for the current generation of kids who've grown up having their attention spans destroyed by having a screen in front of them their whole lives. A good chunk of them live online, having parasocial relationships with Twitch streamers and Youtubers, or buying skins to put on their characters in Fortnite. I have almost no idea what Roblox and Minecraft are besides world building, but kids get ad…

If I had a kid, I’d be encouraging them to play Minecraft. I’m 25, and played during the very early days around 2009. I can’t see a way in which Minecraft was anything but good for my brain.

I regret the amount of my teens that I spent playing video games in general, but I don’t regret Minecraft. It’s such a genuinely positive and constructive experience in its openness. It’s like life - there’s no endgame or goal. No single way to play. You can decide you want to build a megabase connected by rail, you can decide you want to terraform a mountain, you can build crazy automatic machines to grow food or kill enemies for you. But it’s your choice, the game doesn’t push you in any direction outside of the very early game.

It also served as my introduction to computing - the in game wiring system is Turing complete. I learned about logic gates from Minecraft.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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There are worse things incredibly rich people could do to have fun. Why not just build a metaverse?

right? or why can’t he just build some space stuff like the rest of the billionaires lol

Yeah everyone loved it when Bezos did that...

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

Much like Microsoft's misstep in not taking the internet seriously in the 90's, and not taking smartphones seriously in the 2000's.

I think Microsoft did take them seriously. They just screwed up the execution.

Like here's a "Microsoft’s Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC Phone Edition" phone out a couple of years before the iPhone https://www.zdnet.com/product/anextek-sp230/

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

Much like Microsoft's misstep in not taking the internet seriously in the 90's, and not taking smartphones seriously in the 2000's.

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