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The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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> We change the world around us in all that we do. We live in air-conditioning. And we see that it clearly has a very negative impact overall so idk what kind of argument is that. "everything sucked so we destroyed our environment and enslaved ourselves to machines to make it bearable"

Yeah and I have Type 1 diabetes and inject myself with insulin. I’m kinda glad that we bent the world to my will there.

As if insulin had the same impact as the millions of ac units used to live in the middle of deserts

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

It proves he thinks everyone will follow along anyway

It proves Apple’s data labels and growing awareness digital ads drive little business, which proved Facebook is a non-contributor to the economy in a real way

Zuck is just looking to keep his good times rolling as interest fades. This isn’t courage, this is “the writing is on the wall, let’s try something sooner than later.”

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Meh? Everything you described has been occurring over the internet for 30ish years already. We didn’t need Facebook or VR for it.

Of course. We definitely don't need fb. VR though, is another mode. We don't necessarily need it, but having it does give us something new.

VR has much more feeling of "presence" than just video calling, or texting. I've been doing meetings in VR for a few months now and it beats Zoom etc. hands down IMHO, being able to look around, coalesce around a whiteboard, positional audio - it may look a bit cartooney, but for me it's less draining than video conference and more engaging.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Instead of Metaverse can we call it "Adverse" as in "Ad"-verse. You know there will be ads super-imposed on objects everywhere. Some obvious, some subliminal. It will be small at first until investors realize the potential benefits and then you will need some advanced AI/ML ad-blocker to virtually remove all the ads and that will be yet another artificial multi-billion dollar industry. AR/VR ad removal. This was depicted in a scene from Altered Carbon where officer Ortega had to put a physical ad-blocking patch on Kovacs neck to block the insane ads. I predict AR will eventually be outlawed in vehicle use when enough distracting ads cause car accidents. Will people draw the line at ads being super-imposed on their families faces? Will ads below the neck be permitted or will consenting adults opt-in to full body ads?

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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That’s different. “Apple” is a very common everyday word, plus it’s arbitrary as a tech company name so the two are never confused in any reasonable context. “Meta” is a niche but useful word used in intellectual discussions, and Meta’s usage of it is relevant to its meaning. This means “meta” is far more under threat from Meta than “apple” was from Apple, because whenever someone describes something as “meta” in an…

okay - so you’re concerned there is a high chance of collisions in this case as apposed to companies like Stripe, Amazon and Oracle where there is less scope for confusion. > Meta’s usage of it is relevant to its meaning. Is it though ? - I thought Meta the name is just a shorthand for Metaverse, so the confusion is bounded to discussions on that topic. Maybe I’m unable to see the issue. Can you give an example where…

I agree it’s not the most important issue regarding Meta, and I don’t think there’s anything useful that can be done about it now anyway, I just reject the outright dismissal of it as a complete non-issue.

Yes, the company name Meta is relevant to the actual meaning of the prefix “meta-“, as in metaverse, a word coined in 90s sci-fi as a contraction of “meta-universe”, meaning a universe that is not the universe but is “beyond” or “about” it, which is a very reasonable use of the prefix when applied to a virtual world, in line with other uses like metadata (extra data that isn’t “the” data but is “about” it).

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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FB execs aren't stupid. This is not about the metaverse, it is about deflecting from bad press and ill will into mockery about this aloof nonsense.

A few weeks or months ago you probably noticed your sentiment towards facebook turn pretty negative. Just thinking about the company as dorky instead helps their bottom line.

We all know this project isn't going anywhere, including maybe everyone but zuck.

The more noise about this lame ass project instead of how fb is ruining society, the better for them.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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I think what is sorely missing from the entire debate, is a clear definition of what a metaverse actually is. This article here seems to believe that the metaverse is nothing but "internet VR". The talk by Carmack for the most part equates the metaverse with MMVR - massively multiuser virtual reality. But according to the explanation that Raph Koster (the mind behing metaplace - the only prior attempt at ever buildin…

It's easy to get entangled in definitions, metaphors and such. It's kind of pointless though. They aren't precise anyway. Instead of clearly defining what these things mean, I think it's better for clarity if we just focus on implications. That's what we care about anyway. We care that "The internet will be the metaverse" inasmuch as this statement has implications. "VR Internet" implies, IMO, decentralisation standa…

That's why I'm asking for a more precise definition.

To me, it seems kinda hard to discuss the implications of something, when you don't understand what it is - or when the people discussing it, have incompatible ideas of what it is.

For example, by the arguments of this article right here, AR/VR is not a requirement for a metaverse (otherwise the current internet could not be a metaverse, right?).

According to the keynotes/talks of Facebook and John Carmack, VR seems to be the most central ingredient though.

Raph Koster seems to rather agree with the notion that VR/AR is not required. It only has to be multiple virtual worlds that (at least some of which) can interact with the real world somehow.

As another example, Raph Koster thinks, that there must be many virtual worlds in a metaverse, and that this virtual worlds must be able to be significantly different from each other - visually and mechanically.

Facebook seems to think that having just one single virtual worlds (Facebook's own VR-world) is kinda enough to create a metaverse.

This article right here implies that no virtual world is required at all - as the internet doesn't qualify.

As a third example, both Facebook and Koster seem to agree, that it is important that a user in the metaverse be represented through some sort of Avatar. They seemingly disagree on what constitutes an Avatar though - Facebook's ideas imply a full 3D VR Avatar - while Koster counts MUDs as virtual worlds, where you get nothing but a handle (username) and maybe a small "description" text-box.

This article seems to deny even that notion, since in the internet you are just a more or less random IP-address. You can have all sorts of Avatars on various places on the internet - from usernames to profile images to fully customizable 2D or 3D-models. But all of those are separate and siloed.

And that's just the first few examples that came to mind - there's a lot more contradictions like these.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

#99

We should talk more about that ‘crappy life’ outside the virtual world. China reduces kids computer gaming sessions and invests in actually improving living conditions. Facebook’s ad sponsored empire turns productive members of society into zombies amidst a crumbling infrastructure. There surely is room for VR and AR in improving aspects of life but Mark’s vision has a taste of dystopia.

As if China does not resemble a mass-surveillance state dystopia already? I'm not sure "improving living conditions" in a country where The Party dictates every aspect of life is something to aspire to.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

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