The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet • Hacker News Board

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by netcan » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:38 AM UTC

hooby wrote: post #51

I think what is sorely missing from the entire debate, is a clear definition of what a metaverse actually is. This article here seems to believe that the metaverse is nothing but "internet VR". The talk by Carmack for the most part equates the metaverse with MMVR - massively multiuser virtual reality. But according to the explanation that Raph Koster (the mind behing metaplace - the only prior attempt at ever buildin…

It's easy to get entangled in definitions, metaphors and such. It's kind of pointless though. They aren't precise anyway.

Instead of clearly defining what these things mean, I think it's better for clarity if we just focus on implications. That's what we care about anyway. We care that "The internet will be the metaverse" inasmuch as this statement has implications.

"VR Internet" implies, IMO, decentralisation standard protocols. Zuckerverse implies centralisation.

The WWW didn't grow because with one or two companies controlling it. It grew out of a mass of individual webmasters.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by baq » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:39 AM UTC

0xdeadb00f wrote: post #58

rambambram wrote: post #20

I'm willing to take this further: The 'cloud' was already there, it used to be called the 'internet'.

I don't think that's a very hot take around here. At least I don't think so. But here's what I have to say; "Serverless" is already here, it's called "servers".

yeah. we used to call it 'cgi on shared hosting'.

the true innovation in serverless is billing.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by TheColorYellow » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:48 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #13

> In the end, the metaverse will be the internet, but mostly experienced through the medium of VR/AR. Depends on who gives the smart glasses it's 'killer app' and the ecosystem it needs to take off and who ever executes that properly, will win. The games are going to come first. Probably will come from either Meta, Apple, Google or Microsoft. Most likely from Meta with the support of the Web and PWA's first. > In the…

> unless Mastodon or something else is planning to persuade the masses to not make money on the metaverse and stay on the fediverse.

Exactly this. Mastodon on its own is clearly not enough. And cryptoeconomic systems still have to navigate financial regulations successfully before they ever become legitimate contenders.

Not sure I see another macrotrend out there to help counter this. Except crypto. And despite all my faith, I remain skeptical.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by xattt » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

netcan wrote: post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

Is underwhelming performance/delivery a deliberate strategy?

Carmack vs Zuckerberg I think can be summed up as follows: one builds things things people will genuinely like, and the other one force-feeds people until they like it and know no other option.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by axismundi » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

How come that the same company that ruined countless people's mental health announces that they want to completely immerse mankind in an alternative reality and take over human senses in a much more potent way, yet the most discussed aspect of it seems to be whether it's possible, and what problems need to be solved in order to make it happen.

Let's about devastating mental health problems that this will cause. To me it's obvious that they will majorly fuck up human perception of reality like they did with social interactions.

Oh, and what do you think which age groups will be mostly drawn to it?

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by snakeboy » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:51 AM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #69

Arisaka1 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remarks like these remind me of something John Carmack said in Joe Rogan's interview: >“There’s this piece of art that goes around the internet of this dystopian kid in a corner, drooling, with goggles on with rainbow pictures and it’s a terrible looking place,” Carmack told Rogan. “And people say, ‘This is the world you’re trying to build, people plugged into virtual reality and ignoring the world around them.’” >“I…

> We change the world around us in all that we do. We live in air-conditioning. And we see that it clearly has a very negative impact overall so idk what kind of argument is that. "everything sucked so we destroyed our environment and enslaved ourselves to machines to make it bearable"

> And we see that it clearly has a very negative impact overall so idk what kind of argument is that.

You're talking about AC? Surely the climate dialogue hasn't devolved to the point of "uses energy == bad". We can reflect on its role in shaping society/living spaces and its costs and benefits without being so reductionist.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by mmffrrss » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:57 AM UTC

netcan wrote: post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

Although Zuck is easy to mock about this move proves courage for a company as big as Fb. In the end, zuck understands that the risk of not changing is much greater than the risk of staying the same. Technology is unstoppable

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by Nevermark » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:58 AM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #69

Arisaka1 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remarks like these remind me of something John Carmack said in Joe Rogan's interview: >“There’s this piece of art that goes around the internet of this dystopian kid in a corner, drooling, with goggles on with rainbow pictures and it’s a terrible looking place,” Carmack told Rogan. “And people say, ‘This is the world you’re trying to build, people plugged into virtual reality and ignoring the world around them.’” >“I…

> We change the world around us in all that we do. We live in air-conditioning. And we see that it clearly has a very negative impact overall so idk what kind of argument is that. "everything sucked so we destroyed our environment and enslaved ourselves to machines to make it bearable"

I really don't think most of the good that comes from tech required the bad enabled by tech.

Humans are just really good at externalizing costs on the environment and on each other.

And enough humans are driven by motivated reasoning so that entire organizations are devoted to disrupting any attempts at fixing things.

Those are human problems. Facebooks social problems are not caused by the evils of digital scrapbooking with reliable write/read coherence over shards. They are the evils of humans redirecting information based on perverse incentives, taking profits from others pain.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by amelius » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:58 AM UTC

Better to keep the metaverse in its own alternate reality with this piece of code.

    if(user_agent.includes("facebookexternalhit"))
    {
        alert("Stay in your own metaverse!");
        redirect_to("www.facebook.com");
    }

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by ConfusedDog » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 12:01 PM UTC

q4Zar wrote: post #10

I'm a software developer and i pass literraly 80% of my time working to make my family survive to this world, and honestly the only thing that i have in mind it's to flippin go in the forest for a walk, i don't understand the thing of wanting so much to be isolated and wear a fucking VR mask, this world is fucked up !

I agree totally. All I want is to be more efficient at work and reduce the screen time so I can enjoy what the real world offers. Taking the red pill guys, not the blue pills!