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Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Banning ads for legal products to adults would require a Constitutional amendment.

Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Cigarette_Smokin...

You appear to be ignorant of Thompson v. Western States Medical Center.

https://www.justice.gov/osg/brief/thompson-v-western-states-...

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Cigarette_Smokin...

You appear to be ignorant of Thompson v. Western States Medical Center. https://www.justice.gov/osg/brief/thompson-v-western-states-...

You seem to have linked to the wrong document. You linked to the appellant's petition for the Supreme Court to hear the appeal. The actual decision from the Court does not seem to be particularly supportive of anything you are claiming or insinuating. In particular, the Court's decision in that case reaffirmed that "Although commercial speech is protected by the First Amendment, not all regulation of such speech is unconstitutional." Your broad, blanket statement that ads for legal products cannot be restricted without a constitutional amendment is directly contradicted by the Court's rulings.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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>Prior to studies being done, how do we evaluate who is a quack and who is correct You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. >I would argue that anyone who had a solution to Covid should rush to get it published in a reputable Any tool thats not a vaccine gets associated with Trump or the right wing and is dismissed. Its even stifled funding for anti-virals that give a 50% reduction in hospitaliza…

> You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. I'm not sure this applies to medicine or vaccines. I don't think any of us are in the position of "making up our own mind" about what works in medicine and what doesn't, which is why we have double-blind clinical studies. We can't even explain why/how placebo works.

Really? It’s pretty clear that a lot of people made up their mind and chose to get vaccinated. But that’s fine of course, it’s only a problem if they make up their mind and decide something else.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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> You allow the dialog to take place and make up your own mind. I'm not sure this applies to medicine or vaccines. I don't think any of us are in the position of "making up our own mind" about what works in medicine and what doesn't, which is why we have double-blind clinical studies. We can't even explain why/how placebo works.

You have to be in the position of being your own medical advocate. I had a condition that was misdiagnosed repeatedly, including in the ER. My condition is not even "rare", just slightly uncommon, and I had a very textbook case of it. Your doctor is not an oracle. They are a car mechanic that works on organics.

Not to mention that it’s hardly extraordinary for two doctors to have two different opinions on the same case.

What does that mean? That there are two conflicting absolute truths?

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Obesity is a critical risk factor. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c... https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-...

Look at your cdc link and it proves my point. I never said obesity wasn’t a risk factor, just that covid is plenty dangerous to the non obese as well. “ More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6” This is from your link - even if…

> Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death

And falling. Remember how people were parading around 95%?

Just like ‘99% of people in hospital are unvaccinated’. While now in some areas it’s ‘70% vaccinated’.

Vaccines are not a magic bullet and delaying covid using measures that make people fat is not a smart move. Not to mention stealing 1.5% of peoples lifetime to delay a disease that less than 1% would die from.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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if they have been running pro-vaccine campaigns, thats very welcome.. It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) Imagine if various establishments used a weight/health card where one is scored on some heuristic, and allowed access. Just look at intellectuals like Noam Chomsky's prescriptions on how to treat the unva…

> It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) People were up in arms and fearmongering over the vaccine since 2020. This isn’t about coercion - there’s a reason the same people typically don’t get vaccinated themselves. If they believed in the effectiveness of the vaccine they’d be vaxxed themselves (like Republican…

This is a straw man.

It’s perfectly possible to be for vaccinations and against mandates.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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These public health “experts” didn’t even try. They basically treated covid like it was the Black Plague for everybody, when that is far from the truth. The truth is covid is a risk for a very specific set of the population. They made very little (no?) mention of how most people recover just fine. No mention of how stratified the risks are based on age. No mention about how it goes after the obese. None of that. Inst…

This really doesn't track with even basic fact checking. They didn't treat it like the Black Death; if anything, death estimates were way too low. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coro... > The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said. As for obesity and age, they were pretty clear on that: https://www.fierceh…

Or perhaps they just aren’t that good? Because they might have poopoo-ed the risks at one time, at another time they have also inflated the risks to the point of making people think a positive test is a death sentence.

In addition to flat out lying about that Chinese lab, of course.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Aren't there many (>60) published studies showing varying positive effects of early treatment with Ivermectin though? (Despite a couple having been retracted for obvious fraud). YouTube's policy specifically bans mention of Ivermectin as a possible treatment. Combined with the safety profile and cost of Ivermectin, I'd have thought that it'd at least be worth a try in an emergency - the worst possible case being that…

> Aren't there many (>60) published studies showing varying positive effects of early treatment with Ivermectin though? (Despite a couple having been retracted for obvious fraud). No, this is false. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in humans is dangerous [1]. [1] https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul...

It’s dangerous in the sense that there is no careful control like in medicine for humans, and it has not been approved for humans.

Obviously the fda would say this is the approved, safe medicine, so this other stuff is not approved and safe. The fact is that as far as the fda knows, they don’t know anything about if it’s safe or unsafe so they call it unsafe.

> the FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical attention, including hospitalization

They must have a subscription to Rolling Stone.

But they have of course carefully chosen their wording. This could mean there were two people hospitalized that took ivermectin and got symptoms the hospital thought were due to that. But it turned out to be something else.

Just like the cdc, they have received ‘increased numbers of reports of side effects’. Wow, who would have thought if a 100 times more people take a drug, that would result in increased reports of side effects. The generic side effects that are also a side effect of placebo, like headaches and nausea.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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Look at your cdc link and it proves my point. I never said obesity wasn’t a risk factor, just that covid is plenty dangerous to the non obese as well. “ More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6” This is from your link - even if…

> Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death And falling. Remember how people were parading around 95%? Just like ‘99% of people in hospital are unvaccinated’. While now in some areas it’s ‘70% vaccinated’. Vaccines are not a magic bullet and delaying covid using measures that make people fat is not a smart move. Not to mention stealing 1.5% of peoples lifetime to delay a disease…

Obesity hasn’t changed that much. Around 70% of Americans were overweight or obese before the pandemic. Diet is the most important factor in weight gain or weight loss. And except for a few dumb months at the beginning, parks and outdoor areas are open for recreation. I’ve been running 4x a week for the whole pandemic without issue where I live, nothing stopped people from exercising if they wanted to follow the health advice that they’ve been hearing for decades.

Vaccines aren’t a magic bullet. But they’re the most cost effective item we have. You cite some irrelevant statistics but appear to agree with my statement that the vaccines remain more than 80% effective against death.

The vaccine costs less than $100 and takes about an hour of time to do. There is no way to lose weight that cheaply or quickly and as a result people continue to ignore government advice and health campaigns urging them to do so.

Moreover, losing weight does not stop you from catching or spreading COVID at all, whereas the vaccines have been shown to reduce transmission.

Re: Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

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> It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) People were up in arms and fearmongering over the vaccine since 2020. This isn’t about coercion - there’s a reason the same people typically don’t get vaccinated themselves. If they believed in the effectiveness of the vaccine they’d be vaxxed themselves (like Republican…

This is a straw man. It’s perfectly possible to be for vaccinations and against mandates.

I never said it wasn’t possible, in fact I gave some examples of people who are - politicians and tv hosts who have gotten vaxxed.

Most people don’t fall into that category though. The “people” who are up in arms usually cite stuff like the vaccines rewriting DNA, being unsafe, untested, Nuremberg violations, “did my own research” and a hundred other reasons they found online to claim the vaccine is unsafe or ineffective.

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