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Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by bumby »

hadlock wrote: post #399
bumby wrote: post #77

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I’ve read that one reason wealth inequality is worse today is because high-education-high-income individuals want to marry other HEHI individuals whereas in the past this wasn’t the case. If the claim about the past is true, it seems to undermine your point

Do you have a link to this article/study? I'd like to explore this concept more. I don't know if it's true but it certainly seems within the realm of possibility

I brought it up in another comment, but I believe it came from the book The Meritocracy Trap. Although, since I don't know the exact quote or underlying sources from memory, I could be mis-remembering

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by bumby »

newbie2020 wrote: post #395
bumby wrote: post #223

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> I suspect that the rise of tertiary education over the past 40-50 years which has further stratified educational attainment along class lines may be a relevant factor. This was a central point to the aforementioned book. The gist being elites invest in education, skill investment, and long hours that leads to more money that they can use to invest in more education and skill development in their children to repeat…

I dunno, I’m pretty sure it’s awesome being a winner!

I guess it depends on how you define winner. If you measure winning primarily by social status or money, sure. But one of the main points of the book is to illustrating the costs of all that "winning".

There was one quote from the book of a high-achieving mother who, due to long hours, only got to spend 20 minutes a day with her child but "wouldn't give up those 20 minutes for the world."

If you're someone who values close human relationships, I don't know if I'd call that "winning".

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by new_stranger »

pc86 wrote: post #225
julianlam wrote: post #185

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If you think lawyers marry lawyers, you should look up physicians!

It's not all that surprising if you think about it. Let's say you go right to college after HS, and take a year off between college and med school (due to the competitiveness this is becoming very common, maybe even more common than direct admits). You'll enter medical school around age 23 and will be there until around age 27. You'll be a resident until at least 30, but maybe as late as 33 or 34 depending on the spe…

So basically, if you happen to wonder outside long enough you could (theoretically) meet and marry someone that is not a physician - but you'll still never really get to see them?

I guess the choice is clear.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by grillvogel »

missedthecue wrote: post #110
TehShrike wrote: post #91

I was disappointed they didn't include "homemaker" or "unemployed" so you could see which professions supported a family by themselves.

I think you'd see a lot of professions of people who culturally value a homemaker, not anything about the highest paying careers. My guess is that the list you describe would be dominated by the trades, trucking, and small business ownership.

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Is it "blue collar" to only have one working parent while the other takes care of the family? I would think most people would prefer that if they can make it work. I am a fairly well compensated software engineer and my wife stays home to take care of the kids because we can afford it, and many others that I work with do the same. It seems a bit silly to have her work just so that we can pay someone else to raise our children for us.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by allturtles »

bumby wrote: post #400
allturtles wrote: post #398

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The reason that joke is funny is that the economists are ignoring the fact that someone has to be the first person to come across that $100 bill. One is not likely be the first woman to 'come across' a single man in his 30s-40s, who has presumably been 'on the sidewalk' for 10-20+ years.

It's a play on the idea of market efficiency. From the classical economist perspective, there's no point in trying to beat the market because if it were possible, somebody would have already discovered and exploited it, leaving you unable to do so similarly. Just like the dating claim that if somebody was desirable, they would have already been taken. My claim is that both perspectives are wrong because neither marke…

I don't think the situations are at all similar. If you come across a $100 bill, chances are you are in fact the first person to come across it. You've already beaten the odds.

If you come across a man in his 30s-40s who has always been single, chances are he is not a '$100 bill' man. It's possible that he is, but it's very unlikely. This is not the same as saying that there are no such thing as older '$100 bill' men, just like $100 bills do sometimes (but very rarely) end up on sidewalks.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by psyc »

bumby wrote: post #400
allturtles wrote: post #398

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The reason that joke is funny is that the economists are ignoring the fact that someone has to be the first person to come across that $100 bill. One is not likely be the first woman to 'come across' a single man in his 30s-40s, who has presumably been 'on the sidewalk' for 10-20+ years.

It's a play on the idea of market efficiency. From the classical economist perspective, there's no point in trying to beat the market because if it were possible, somebody would have already discovered and exploited it, leaving you unable to do so similarly. Just like the dating claim that if somebody was desirable, they would have already been taken. My claim is that both perspectives are wrong because neither marke…

I suppose the dating market, much like the hiring market, is distorted by the intense aversion to false positives.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by bumby »

allturtles wrote: post #405
bumby wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a play on the idea of market efficiency. From the classical economist perspective, there's no point in trying to beat the market because if it were possible, somebody would have already discovered and exploited it, leaving you unable to do so similarly. Just like the dating claim that if somebody was desirable, they would have already been taken. My claim is that both perspectives are wrong because neither marke…

I don't think the situations are at all similar. If you come across a $100 bill, chances are you are in fact the first person to come across it. You've already beaten the odds. If you come across a man in his 30s-40s who has always been single, chances are he is not a '$100 bill' man. It's possible that he is, but it's very unlikely. This is not the same as saying that there are no such thing as older '$100 bill' men…

I think you’re missing the entire point of the joke.

>If you come across a $100 bill, chances are you are in fact the first person to come across it.

The economist assumes you won’t be the first person because of market efficiency. Your assumption above disregards this. It seems like you are having a hard time reconciling that with the imagined scenario of seeing the bill, because the assumption is someone who noticed it previously would have picked it up. The fact that those two don’t reconcile is the whole point.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by ferrumfist »

RedAlakazam wrote: post #326
myroon5 wrote: post #171

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https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/25/divorce-and-occupation/

Thanks for linking this, this is as interesting as the main post imo. It's funny how most of the results are as expected, actuaries as the occupation with the lowest divorce rate, while jobs as bartenders and flight attendants sport the highest ones. What's up with gaming related jobs being at the top though? Gaming managers and gaming services workers especially.

> What's up with gaming related jobs being at the top though

If I had to stereotype based on US gaming companies:

-Long hours

-Relatively low pay

-Typically located around urban centers (so a higher CoL)

-If the controversies at Riot, Activision Blizzard, and Ubisoft are any indication then many game related employees are emotionally stunted and immature.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by nostrebored »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #389
nostrebored wrote: post #191

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> women are attracted to money and status! Not men!!! Professionals I know in the 20-35 cohort only want to date other professionals. The ones that don’t want some weird stay at home trophy wife dynamic. There’s nothing provably innate about some men preferring trophy wives. There is a lot of availability due to cultural baggage. The phenomenon that you’re talking about is culturally bound. Anecdotally my wife makes…

A wife who stays at home, manages the household and takes care of children is a "trophy wife" now? What has happened to society? Since when have traditionally feminine contributions been so devalued? There's nothing wrong with earning money but there's nothing wrong with staying at home either. Some things money just can't buy.

These are not traditionally feminine attributes. Having a stay at home parent is a recent historical event starting post ww2 in the U.S.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by bumby »

nostrebored wrote: post #409
matheusmoreira wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A wife who stays at home, manages the household and takes care of children is a "trophy wife" now? What has happened to society? Since when have traditionally feminine contributions been so devalued? There's nothing wrong with earning money but there's nothing wrong with staying at home either. Some things money just can't buy.

These are not traditionally feminine attributes. Having a stay at home parent is a recent historical event starting post ww2 in the U.S.

What is the second claimed drawing from? It would seem like a stay at home parent was more common in the past, considering there were historically more single income families with children.

“The percentage of dual-income households with children under age 18 has been on the rise since the 1960s”

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2020/article/comparing-characte...

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