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Post by deathanatos »

specto wrote: post #341
qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

I suppose it's true most people here (not me) is part of the 1% but man it seems strange no one questions this.

I don't think most of us are in the top 1%.

Median net worth in my state is ~$800,000. I'm worth quite a fair bit less than that, so I'm apparently not even in the upper half. (I'm a SWE, I've worked, at times, for large tech companies, include one in FAANG, who paid in line with about what I'm earning now, adjusted for experience.)

(Nationally, the median net worth is $121,000 (!) — so I'm upper half there, but still not 1%, since 20M Californias are worth far more.)

Reminds me that one of these days I should work out the day I became net-worth positive… (since, like many Americans, I started with a fair bit of college debt…)

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Post by encryptluks2 »

_dain_ wrote: post #314

Funny how we learned precisely none of this from that so-called "Facebook whistleblower" two weeks ago. Looking at her Twitter, she doesn't seem to have anything to say about it. How strange! Instead, she's just shilling against encryption: https://nitter.net/FrancesHaugen/status/1452362024856559616

The timing on her coming forward and the media pushing her right after Facebook went down was impeccable. Remember, the the engineers couldn't even get into the data center. Just a way to try to convince the public that we need more surveillance.

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Post by mdoms »

amirhirsch wrote: post #369
mdoms wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is saying "advertising doesn't work". We're saying that massively targeted invasive advertising is not significantly more effective than content based advertising. There's plenty of evidence for this assertion.

Provide some evidence then. Half of the people on this forum can contradict your comment from experience.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-...

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

dd444fgdfg wrote: post #366
Animats wrote: post #357

Sherman Act: "Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony." People do go to prison for Sherman Act violations. Here are some older Department of Justice statistics.[1] So when will we see the first arrests? [1] h…

laws are for the poor

Laws are for the poorly connected.

But you'll get more internet virtue points phrasing it your way.

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Post by sixothree »

aasasd wrote: post #43

> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

> The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap.

The brigading on HN in particular seems extremely obvious when it comes to Google related articles.

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Post by bombcar »

dbuder wrote: post #368
gonzo41 wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, we didn't see that many people go to jail for rigging the LIBOR rate. There were a few fall guys but a lot of people made a lot of money.

It was a fake rate anyway and they only moved it around a little, what Jedi Blue did was far more criminal and egregious. The ad networks act with impunity, for example, they know when a user has installed an app with no connection to them and then they serve that user ads for the app and then attribute the install to themselves! out and out fraud but they'll just claim the algo is really complex and our ML/AI doesn'…

“Give us lots of money or you will lose your business” is basically they argument. It obviously works in some cases but I seriously suspect most advertising money is wasted.

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Post by catlifeonmars »

swiftcoder wrote: post #223
qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

> a business model that could win with them in the free market. The entire point here is that the market is not, at least in this particular instance, "free". When a market is very explicitly being manipulated by a cartel who jointly hold a monopoly position over said market... they are in a position to prevent effective competition permanently.

This reminds me of the paradox of tolerance.

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Post by la6471 »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Why should the burden be on common people ? It’s the government and policy makers job to enforce the law and make appropriate policies and legislation. Common people pay taxes (a lot of it) for them to do their job. Why do commoners have to wade into politics and then get exploited by the politicians to fight brother against brothers?

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Post by mrhands556 »

monopoledance wrote: post #197
qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Incentivize the economy to not overproduce bullshit ad nauseam. Vote with your wallet, and push for it culturally, or spiritually - offer alternative experiences and goals to consumerism. Stop working for companies producing products nobody asked for, which are made for “economic growth” as a goal in it self. (If your factual constraints allow for it.) As long as there is this enormous pressure to sell you ever more…

What if buying useless shit gives certain people some enjoyment and happiness? If nobody bought anything what would we do for money?
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