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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by hoffs »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #216
karaterobot wrote: post #202

This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

They don't respect due process with illegal mass spying or bazooka dmca on youtube. They just do it, and you can't appeal. So at this point, even if none of that ended up being true (unlikely), I still hope it will hurt their reputation badly.

What mass spying and you can appeal DMCA on YouTube

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

braveyellowtoad wrote: post #67
aasasd wrote: post #43

> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

Woah, so if a user is logged into chrome, Google has permission / is able to track all web activity for that user?

Yes, they also probably have also an AI collecting what makes your activity a unique profile even if you are not logged in. Thanks to google search, map, analytics, android, dns, amp, google fonts and the like, you almost always load something from a google server if you browse the web.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by swiftcoder »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

> a business model that could win with them in the free market.

The entire point here is that the market is not, at least in this particular instance, "free". When a market is very explicitly being manipulated by a cartel who jointly hold a monopoly position over said market... they are in a position to prevent effective competition permanently.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by moffkalast »

literallyaduck wrote: post #129

Here is how to contact your state Attorney General in the US: https://www.usa.gov/state-attorney-general If everyone asks them to do everything in their power to investigate the the illegal activities and prosecute all parties involved, we might have a chance at one biting. Sending a message beyond an offensively small fine is crucial. If you are in the EU or other locations please post similar information so it can…

I'm sure a global effort will increase the offensively small fine to a medium sized fine.

Google: "This is fine."

They print money at an astonishing rate with AdSense.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

hoffs wrote: post #221
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't respect due process with illegal mass spying or bazooka dmca on youtube. They just do it, and you can't appeal. So at this point, even if none of that ended up being true (unlikely), I still hope it will hurt their reputation badly.

What mass spying and you can appeal DMCA on YouTube

Google was part of PRISM, and appeals on youtube are a joke here to pretend you can.

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Post by breakingcups »

Jiro wrote: post #104
mabbo wrote: post #11

It takes two things for programs like "Jedi Blue" to happen. First, you need sociopaths in leadership positions who champion this 'great idea' they've figured out. These people often rise up in large companies because they are willing to do this sort of thing without any remorse. But second, you need developers to build it. A large number of them, usually, for a big project like this. Dozens of people like us knew th…

Blaming the developers is blaming the guys in the trenches. Developers are not lawyers, and the law is so complicated and so divorced from any sort of common sense that I don't think if I were in the position of one of those developers, I would have been able to tell that it was illegal. There is no such thing as software that is "obviously illegal" outside of cases like DMCA circumvention or cryptography export laws…

Developers aren't drafted soldiers with no choice but to defend their country either.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by notatoad »

swiftcoder wrote: post #218
karaterobot wrote: post #202

This is a list of accusations, right? This is all pre-trial, so a journalist would want to put the word "alleged" in front of this rather than writing it up as though they'd discovered the undisputed truth? Just checking, I know it's not going to make a difference. Not a fan of Google at all, but I do like to pretend there's a process.

Burden of proof is not identical between a journalist and a judge (or a jury of your peers). A journalist who has verified something to be true to the best of their ability is within their remit to report it as fact.

in this case, the journalist is reporting on the contents of a lawsuit. the journalist is not making any claim to have verified the truth of the allegations, only the existence of the allegations.

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Post by djbusby »

eptcyka wrote: post #174
samstave wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, doesnt chrome hijack DNS to point to googles DNS servers?

Unless you've enabled DoH, it shouldn't.

This whole thread is about Google doing things they shouldn't.

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Post by swiftcoder »

SimeVidas wrote: post #52
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #50

The most "surprising" thing for me as a mathematician is that Google publishes a lot of top notch research on bidding and pricing theory. But it's all rigged in the end. So Google pushed the perverseness as far as basically creating a fake research lab to cover it all.

Maybe Google’s researchers are kept out of the loop.

I tend to doubt that a team of top-notch economics researchers is entirely unable to notice that the market they are studying is being manipulated (even if they are in the dark about specifics of the manipulation)

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Post by lamontcg »

aasasd wrote: post #43

> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.
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