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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by vbezhenar »

nix23 wrote: post #42
elmo2you wrote: post #41

Monopoly abuse by any other name is still just that. Microsoft never did change, nor will it, no mater how many they manage to fool, manipulate or bribe. It remains a criminal enterprise that should be cut down. But that will never happen, as long as the government(s) controlling this company are made of the same DNA. Good luck to those who have the luxury of a choice to avoid this company (and similar ones). Even mo…

Yeah funny times we life in, from Oracle you get a free enterprise linux, from Microsoft a opensoured MSDOS 1.0 ;) Edit: Correction, MSDOS 1.25 and 2.0 was released too

Oracle basically rebuilds RHEL. It's not a tiny feat, but it was done by small teams for CentOS, Scientific Linux and other RHEL rebuilds. Real distribution work is done by RHEL/IBM.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by FDSGSG »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

This reads exactly like the crazy conspiracy theory nonsense that FOSS-clowns were pushing out regarding Secure Boot.

How did that end up? Well, turns out that they can now safely be called clowns.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

watermelon0 wrote: post #78
eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

Or maybe this is related to the security, and Windows is the only widely used platform that didn't enforce TPM until recently? macOS is even more locked down, but they don't impede or force users to use Mac App Store.

macOS still runs on Intel Macs without a T2 chip, if that’s the TPM-equivalent you’re thinking of.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by watermelon0 »

nix23 wrote: post #91
watermelon0 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Android, iOS, and macOS have their own versions of TPM, Microsoft is just late to the game, and it's slowly catching up. Out of the bunch, Microsoft is the only one that even allows custom kernel drivers, since Apple deprecated them with macOS Big Sur, and iOS/Android never really allowed them.

I don't say Android or iOS is more open...quite the opposite. >Microsoft is just late to the game, and it's slowly catching up. Why do you think people want yet another platform but in the Microsoft-verse, you choose Windows because it's open and you can run ~every application on it. There is no catching up by closing down your hard-ware framework (aka OS)

I assume majority of people want a secure platform where they can run apps/games, without worrying about ransomware and malware.

For those few that want to test things or run custom drivers, they can still disable driver signature enforcement, but some features/apps might be unavailable in this mode.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by canada_dry »

schmorptron wrote: post #114
eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

Does a TPM chip actually bring any relevant security advantages for end users, or is it just for DRM?

> security advantages for end users

I'd say about as much as Intel's Management Engine. /s

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by FDSGSG »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #115
Arisaka1 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the writing on the wall the moment they could sloppily justify the TPM requirement. Then I got into arguments with people proclaiming that it's just Microsoft enforcing it for the casual user's safety, and that I'm a Microsoft hater. Who? Me, whose first programming language was C#, who worked as an Windows server administrator for years, and my operating systems have been nothing than Windows for 2 decades. An…

>I saw the writing on the wall the moment they could sloppily justify the TPM requirement. Microsoft doxed itself on the TPM limitation being purely arbitrary when Windows 11 compatibility checks passed on a Pentium 4 CPU and installed just fine due to a mistake from Microsoft where they forgot to blacklist that CPU family lol. https://twitter.com/Carlos_SM1995/status/1448561898035851264...

>purely arbitrary

As if years of experience hasn't taught us that opt-in security is stupid. This would be arbitrary if the TPM was useless, but it isn't.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by temac »

ddalex wrote: post #108
dTal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that." --Richard Stallman, "The Right To Read"

Stallman was ALMOST right. The fight is not about which programs the user can run, but who controls the user data

There is a fight for both.

And the fight to stay in control of your data is far easier when you use Free Software.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by zigzag312 »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

I find it interesting that, one one hand they are implementing features "in the name of security" that limit the owner of a computer what he/she can do with it and on the other hand they are adding backdoors so that government agencies (or anyone with right information) can spy on citizen that use this "secure" OS.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by formerly_proven »

nix23 wrote: post #96
can16358p wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah my thoughts! But on the other hand people also use Windows because its the default that comes with their new computer. (Not talking about HN community, talking about regular Joe) As long as Microsoft keeps lobbying OEMs to include Windows and there's no good alternative (looking at you, non-tech-savvy user-friendly Linux distros and major software vendors like Adobe, Autodesk etc, they will only keep locked to u…

>But on the other hand people also use Windows because its the default that comes with their new computer. True, but if Windows cannot run the application regular Joe wants, people will just switch to Chrome OS or Apple or Linux (wine?). Sometimes regular Joe's uses more exotic Software we can imagine, and they choose windows because it runs on it since 25 years. Just some examples i have seen: -VisualBasic 6 (for mo…

I've ran a lot of these weird 90s-looking "The OEM did a thing" applications on wine, most work pretty flawlessly. Even a few that talked to hardware (over serial, though).

However I don't think you can expect to run e.g. a machine controller on another OS.

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