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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by elmo2you »

Monopoly abuse by any other name is still just that.

Microsoft never did change, nor will it, no mater how many they manage to fool, manipulate or bribe. It remains a criminal enterprise that should be cut down. But that will never happen, as long as the government(s) controlling this company are made of the same DNA.

Good luck to those who have the luxury of a choice to avoid this company (and similar ones). Even more if they still choose not to. Most of all, good luck for those who don't even have a choice, for they most likely will need luck more than anyone else.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

#42

Post by nix23 »

elmo2you wrote: post #41

Monopoly abuse by any other name is still just that. Microsoft never did change, nor will it, no mater how many they manage to fool, manipulate or bribe. It remains a criminal enterprise that should be cut down. But that will never happen, as long as the government(s) controlling this company are made of the same DNA. Good luck to those who have the luxury of a choice to avoid this company (and similar ones). Even mo…

Yeah funny times we life in, from Oracle you get a free enterprise linux, from Microsoft a opensoured MSDOS 1.0 ;)

Edit: Correction, MSDOS 1.25 and 2.0 was released too

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

#43

Post by im3w1l »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

People weren't distracted by the friendly Microsoft front. People were distracted by all the other companies being even worse.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

#44

Post by southerntofu »

op00to wrote: post #36
pas wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I don't really care about telemetry, but their amazing outlook.com SMTP service rejects mail from small senders, and there's no way to successfully appeal. Yeey, brave new megacorp world!

What’s the difference between a small sender and a spam host?

The difference is decided by decent spam filters:

- is the exact same message being sent to many users?

- does it look like previous spam?

- are messages from this host being reported as spam by users?

We have plenty of techniques to filter out spam (those above and technical ones like DKIM to enable host reputation systems) and they mostly work great. What Google/Microsoft are doing is just monopolistic attitude and has nothing to do with spam filtering. Spam from big email servers is still common, but legit emails from smaller servers will not reach intended recipients, and will not produce any indication of that on either side of the communication. It's just silently going in the trash.

If there was at least a decent way to get allowlisted on their side, we could give them the benefit of the doubt and accept that email ecosystem has turned to an opt-in federation model. But the way they do it and prevent recourse is a clear abuse of dominant position to crush the competition.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by gavinray »

intricatedetail wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it will be built on top of WSL3 and all hackers will jump of joy with Windows/Linux.

Many people only use Windows because the software they have don't have a Linux build. Maybe people should start pressuring vendors to make Linux builds and that could end Windows.

Bingo.

Switched from 10 years of Debian-based linux (mostly Ubuntu, recently Pop_OS) to Windows because of some MIDI driver thing I could not get to install in WINE.

I have had a significantly less pleasant time on both Win10 and Win11, and it's slow as hell. Ubuntu/Ubuntu-derivatives with Regolith as a DE + Tiling WM is the best computing experience I've ever had

(Disclaimer: Have never used a Mac. Have been told OSx is better than Linux by people who have used both for long time.)

https://regolith-linux.org/

The ironic thing is that, I later had a passing convo with a developer of a DAW, who told me that MIDI driver stuff is usually for running specific software from the vendor and that MIDI is universal over USB.

So I never even needed to switch in the first place! I was just too hardware-stupid to know this!

Oh man it hurts my soul.

I could switch back but it takes a whole weekend to properly backup + wipe and setup a machine. I think I am going to go back to Pop_OS or Ubuntu though.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

#46

Post by chronogram »

yissp wrote: post #38
heavyset_go wrote: post #11

> Microsoft Process Explorer has the same functionality so they don't have standing to block competitors then go and include the exact same features in their own software. > Microsoft has been secretly adding more powerful features than Process Hacker via their SAC product – SAC has no security whatsoever by design – they're clearly targeting the project not because of any actual technical issues but rather because w…

I thought signing was only required to avoid a the OS showing warning on installation, or has this changed in win11?

For unsigned drivers users have to enable test mode and I can't imagine secure boot works unless the drivers are signed. In the case of unsigned applications it's correct that it's just a warning.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by lotsofpulp »

zahllos wrote: post #23

The article mentions Process Explorer. Since Sysinternals were bought by Microsoft many years ago and the tools are distributed directly via Microsoft, such tools are unlikely to have an issue being signed. A brief history of the process for those not following it. Originally for kernel-mode drivers, you needed a code signing certificate cross signed by Microsoft's root . This means that the certificate follows a cha…

Thanks for the background and info!

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by dncornholio »

intricatedetail wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it will be built on top of WSL3 and all hackers will jump of joy with Windows/Linux.

Many people only use Windows because the software they have don't have a Linux build. Maybe people should start pressuring vendors to make Linux builds and that could end Windows.

You mean, just like Apple did?

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by gavinray »

pjmlp wrote: post #26
eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

But it will be built on top of WSL3 and all hackers will jump of joy with Windows/Linux.

Relevant tweets from self:

https://twitter.com/GavinRayDev/status/1446459866059612162

https://twitter.com/GavinRayDev/status/1446460168389136395

WINE and the very popular/well maintained Linux distros have gotten so good in recent years that the scenario is nearly identical to Windows + WSL2, except with the DE reversed.

And WINE is never going to run entirely as smooth/easy as regular Windows, though it's pretty damn close.

I prefer Linux DE, both for aesthetic and resource (but mostly resource) purposes.

I think Win11 looks great despite internet's opinion, but wow-ee I cannot justify/cope with the amount of resources (modern) Windows takes just to idle and run explorer.exe

Now -- OLD Windows? Windows 98, Windows 2000? That was (is) some good stuff.

ReactOS recently released an x64 compatible build and I've booted into QEMU with it and toyed with the idea of trying to use it as a daily driver/work, even for a week as an experiment.

https://reactos.org/blogs/newsletter-101/

Feels nearly identical to Windows 2000 or so.

Can check news announcement here and get the x64 MSVC build from the nightly page + boot into it using QEMU or whatnot (I used LiveCD to test):

https://reactos.org/getbuilds/

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