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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by calsy »

adrr wrote: post #310
calsy wrote: post #239

In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

What connection is there to ads and content? It’s a random (to a degree) ad selected by youtube you can’t wait to close so you watch your chosen content.

Further, videos are not outright banned on behalf of advertisers, only demonetised. Also, whether you agree or not, there would be advertisers who wish to target this audience. There isn’t a shared moral code that all advertisers abide by.

Somethings very wrong when advertisers are acting as content moderators.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by silverspoonin »

Zuider wrote: post #533
KittenInABox wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post Genuinely asking, how should I evaluate truth in a subject matter that I myself don't have a doctorate in if the standard of "what is general consensus among the people with doctorates in the subject" isn't reasonable?

What evidence is there that a general consensus on a thesis indicates that it is necessarily true? Is it rational simply to accept a consensus, effectively taking something on faith?

That was not an answer to his question, and I am really curious for an answer to it because I think it's a valid and reasonable point.

Also, as to whether believing scientific general consensus should count as "faith" or not, I invite you to read Issac Asimov's short essay "The Relativity of Wrong".

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by kfprt »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #275
fabianhjr wrote: post #210

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Just create and apply better anti-trust laws and break up the monopolies. (Specially since most platforms got their almost monopolies by creating anti-competitive walled gardens with no inter-operation with other similar platforms a la Fediverse / ActivityPub / Diaspora / Friendica) Or better yet, promote counter-anti-desintermediation: https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Counter-Anti-Disintermediatio... > The idea of dis…

Trillion dollar company won't allow better antitrust laws to happen, because they are allied with the currently ruling party. This is a true symbiosis: the Party will see that no laws that harm the Company are passed, and Company will stop the spread of any information harmful to the Party.

"Die Partei, die Partei, die hat immer Recht!"

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by cronix »

I think the US government messed this internet thing up big time when they didn't classify the internet as a utility, which I think it clearly is. A phone company can't discriminate based on politics. Neither can a power company. They were deemed important for all of society, business and personal use, equally. Everyone gets equal access regardless of beliefs. We play silly games that overall bring disharmony to everyone. None of this is good in the long term. No one is winning.

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Post by silverspoonin »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #491
atleta wrote: post #449

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Well established scientific concensus. If you're referring to anything related to Covid there's no well-established scientific consensus it literally just happened around year and a half ago it's impossible to have scientific consensus. Even the most respected scientists are saying they don't know about a lot of things related to covid. also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post . Galileo wa…

"Well-established scientific consensus" may not be perfect, but may I challenge you to provide an alternative with a better track record? It generally takes in new information and self-corrects over time. As I mentioned to someone else in this threat, Issac Asimov's essay "The Relativity of Wrong" may be old but it's still very relevant today.

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Post by fabianhjr »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #556
fabianhjr wrote: post #256

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> given that it is built on network effects. Network effects can happen in a federated or decentralized way: - Email is useful regardless of the software, OS, server or owner of the address you are sending emails to. - The fediverse benefits from network effects and interoperability between instances with both different software and different communities. I would even go further and argue that centralized "network ef…

> Network effects can happen in a federated or decentralized way There's no technical reason they can't, but practically, a central, easily discernible destination appeals to those looking to monetize their content. Email is a one-to-one (or few) channel vs broadcast. Completely different. The arguments about decentralization/federation remind me of the early days of the Net, wherein there was so much talk of democra…

> There's no technical reason they can't, but practically, a central, easily discernible destination appeals to those looking to monetize their content.

That is very similar to what was mentioned up-thread:

> [..] we need to start by addressing the root cause of this concentration: Centralization is required to capture profit.

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> Email is a one-to-one (or few) channel vs broadcast. Completely different.

ActivityPub / Diaspora / Friendica were also mentioned; email was about interop between software and service providers.

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> The arguments about decentralization/federation remind me of the early days of the Net, wherein there was so much talk of democratization, but here we are (unfortunately).

Also mentioned up-thread:

> The idea of disintermediation was central to the emancipatory visions of the Internet, yet the landscape today is more mediated than ever before.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by Zuider »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #565
Zuider wrote: post #539

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In many cases, advertisers have been pressured by activists on pain of having their brand actively smeared by those activists. This leaves the question open as to how much advertisers would be motivated to withdraw their custom, absent such campaigns, or the chilling effect of the possibility of such activism.

Well sure, but that’s part of the free market, and has nothing to do with pressure from the government. The government pressure story is just not convincing to me.

I am not sure that political activists employing threats to achieve a political goal should be considered part of the free market.

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Post by YZF »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #552
YZF wrote: post #503

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You're contradicting yourself. You're saying you agree with me the vaccine is very likely impacting R yet you're saying it doesn't help. Which one is it? We have lots of places, such as where I live, where the number of deaths and hospitalizations and daily cases is about level. Since you agreed with me vaccinations impact R you can also agree with me that going from 75% vaccinations to 100% vaccinations is going to…

>You're contradicting yourself. You're saying you agree with me the vaccine is very likely impacting R yet you're saying it doesn't help. Which one is it? When it comes to exponential growth, the difference in practice between an exponent of 1.5 vs 2 is negligible.

But the difference between 1.0 and 0.5 is not. Where in the west are we currently seeing 1.5 or 2? Have a look here: https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/national/canada/

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Post by matthewmarkus »

TameAntelope wrote: post #510
irl_chad wrote: post #253

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A publishing house publishes a book that an author writes. Digital platforms want to have it both ways - they want to (in some cases manually!!!) curate and censor recommendations, search results, and plain uploads, while also retaining their platform protections. The libertarian stance on this issue is completely untenable. I know an Olympic gymnast who can’t perform gymnastics that well.

This isn't really about section 230, this is about the first amendment. You cannot, and will not, ever successfully pass an enforced law that requires private companies to maintain content they themselves did not produce on their website against their will. You can repeal section 230, and the first amendment will still protect every company in the US from doing what you want them to do. There is no version of this wh…

The point of repealing section 230 is to end YouTube as we know it. Basically, YouTube becomes the Washington Post and can carry fully moderated content that it selects and publishes. YouTube's current business model only exists by legislative fiat. It's time to give power back to the courts and reinstate the precedent of Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratton_Oakmont,_Inc._v._Prod....

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