Does that mean that we are going to see soon a data center class RISC-V chip with hundreds of RISC-V cores? That would really be something.
Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
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Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…
IMHO server marketshare is much more fickle than the consumer one. For consumers, compatibility is a big issue and hard to switch unless a myriad of things work properly. For servers, if just a single commonly used system (e.g. mariadb or wordpress) works and you can do it 10% cheaper, companies can replace large quantities of hardware to a completely different architecture.
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#83As a person learning Chinese, I find it super frustrating that Chinese brand names are only mentioned in Pinyin, and to make it worse, without tones. With tones, it would have been xuántiě, which makes it possible to properly pronounce without extra context. In Chinese characters it's 玄铁 in simplified and 玄鐵 in traditional script. The meaning is "reddish-black iron". I'm curious if it should be taken literally or if…
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#84Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.
Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…
The basic problem is that Intel hasn't lost ground in mobile, it's not even on the playing field, a huge strategic blunder. That leaves it defending its dominant positions on server and desktop / laptop. At the same time billions of $ pour into TSMC from mobile and those same facilities are now being used to make desktop and server CPUs that compete with Intel.
Its execution has been poor too but this massive strategic issue is a bigger problem.
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…
Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…
Phones bit of a mixed bag but their computing gear has always been a bit old hat since the 1980s.
The M1 is the first time since PowerPC they took a risk. My guess is that it will turn out the same PowerPC. I really want a linux powered ARM workstation but Apple aren't going to make that.
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…
For most purposes, electricity is almost a rounding error in datacenter asset management concerns. Server compute is expensive. It is all about performance. ARM is just starting to get competitive in that ballpark. So we will see. All of these ARM server chips are going to be very low on the pecking order for TSMC fab time, so they won't have the edge that Apple had by buying up the first slot on the latest manufactu…
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#87Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.
It's easy to mistake the obvious computing market for the whole of the computing market. Servers dominates the computing market, and x86 is still dominating the server world, and Intel is still competitive on the server front.
I would wager mobile semiconductor revenue worlwide is bigger than server semiconductor revenue worldwide.
But I agree with you that Intel is still dominant in the server world.
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#88So I assume that they didn't open source their leading RISC-V core because they were giving up on RISC-V, but instead because they have something better, more powerful in the pipeline. Does that mean that we are going to see soon a data center class RISC-V chip with hundreds of RISC-V cores? That would really be something.
When there are more eyeballs looking at something it can become better.
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#89Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.
Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…
Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip
#90As a person learning Chinese, I find it super frustrating that Chinese brand names are only mentioned in Pinyin, and to make it worse, without tones. With tones, it would have been xuántiě, which makes it possible to properly pronounce without extra context. In Chinese characters it's 玄铁 in simplified and 玄鐵 in traditional script. The meaning is "reddish-black iron". I'm curious if it should be taken literally or if…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia
Xuantie probably came from Xuxia, and is widely used in pop culture (games especially) for metals that have special mystical properties.