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Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by wmf »

genmud wrote: post #16
metagame wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've tried a lot of "reimagining." It never works. No one wants Intel on mobile, despite Intel's mobile chips being absolutely great when they were actually releasing them, and no one wants a genuinely high-performance chip if it means they have to make alterations to how their software is written. I have a lot of criticisms of Intel, but held back from reimagining isn't quite a great one.

When has intel reimagined products that have low power and low price? Intel has been notorious for having power hungry and overpriced stuff.

Didn't Pouslbo and friends have negative prices ("contra-revenue") yet still nobody wanted them?

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by PeterisP »

easygenes wrote: post #21
maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…

IMHO server marketshare is much more fickle than the consumer one.

For consumers, compatibility is a big issue and hard to switch unless a myriad of things work properly.

For servers, if just a single commonly used system (e.g. mariadb or wordpress) works and you can do it 10% cheaper, companies can replace large quantities of hardware to a completely different architecture.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by ausudhz »

robomartin wrote: post #14

Did anyone instantly go back to the memory of the Jack Ma & Elon Musk conference panel WTF? moment and think: No way Jack is running this company, at all.

Well, to be fair both were bs-ing around. The difference is that Musk is native English speaker and you had the impression that he knew what the hell he was saying.

It pretty clear to anyone that is not a fanboy that both (like is normal in these situations as they're CEOs) have no idea what they're saying.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by ausudhz »

robomartin wrote: post #14

Did anyone instantly go back to the memory of the Jack Ma & Elon Musk conference panel WTF? moment and think: No way Jack is running this company, at all.

Jack Ma is no longer the CEO of Alibaba since quite a while now

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by ausudhz »

kabes wrote: post #26
robomartin wrote: post #14

Did anyone instantly go back to the memory of the Jack Ma & Elon Musk conference panel WTF? moment and think: No way Jack is running this company, at all.

You have a link with context?

https://youtu.be/f3lUEnMaiAU

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by fulafel »

maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

Intel had the best high performance ARM processors for a long time (StrongARM, acquired from DEC).

Timing is hard.

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Post by urda »

maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

The world is rapidly being consumed by ARM, it will be interesting to see how this plays out from hardware offered on market, to what devs are targeting when conducting builds.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by nuerow »

wmf wrote: post #31
genmud wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has intel reimagined products that have low power and low price? Intel has been notorious for having power hungry and overpriced stuff.

Didn't Pouslbo and friends have negative prices ("contra-revenue") yet still nobody wanted them?

For those who, like me, never heard of Poulsbo, it's a chipset for Intel's first generation of Atom processors.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/chipsets/poulsbo

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by phendrenad2 »

maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

It's easy to mistake the obvious computing market for the whole of the computing market. Servers dominates the computing market, and x86 is still dominating the server world, and Intel is still competitive on the server front.
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