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Post by fastball »

vegai_ wrote: post #637
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

> 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. Get an x86-64 laptop with a recent fastest Ryzen, install Linux on it. You're gonna see better performance for most practical things than your Mac M1, practically fanless. For half the price. Power-per-watt remains Apple's competitive ad…

If M1 chips have better performance per watt, then they are going to put off less heat. So however "practically fanless" the x86-64 chip you choose is, the M1 is going to be more fanless.

And for a laptop chip those are pretty much the two things that matter (not melting your lap and not being crazy loud).

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Post by EugeneOZ »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #259
ricardobeat wrote: post #246

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If the latest gen, top cpu is “almost 2x as fast” it will still lose to the parent’s “literally 2 times faster” M1. While using 4x more power.

Right but GP's main points were: - noticeable faster in just everything - literally 2 times faster [compiling code] Neither of these statements is true when comparing against the latest generation, which is the relevant comparison. The power thing is true, but irrelevant to GP's point and my objection to it.

I was comparing 2 computers I have (read the comment I replied to). But if you are saying that passively cooled Apple notebook should be compared to last-gen Intel desktop CPU with powerful cooler - Apple enginers would be honored to read it ;)

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Post by true_religion »

dijit wrote: post #607
adrianN wrote: post #605

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The tradeoff I'm making is money vs capability. My argument is that most people don't need the capabilities offered by brand new, top of the line models. A used laptop that is a couple of years old is, I think, the best choice for most people.

A new M1 laptop is likely to last 4-5 years as a good specification of machine. A second hand laptop has much less advantage to doing that. I think this is a false economy. “The poor man pays twice” But regardless: the cost isn’t outrageous when compared to the Dell XPS/latitude or HP Elitebook lines (which are the only laptops I know of designed to last a 5y support cycle). If you’re buying a new laptop, I don’t thi…

The trade in value for my 6 year old MacBook Air is 150 dollars. Old computers depreciate so fast, that you can afford to buy ten of them for the price of one new computer.

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Post by theonemind »

shaklee3 wrote: post #579
lanza wrote: post #558

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You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

You are vastly, vastly overestimating how many people like apple laptops. They're expensive, the OS is worse, and there's no speed difference outside of benchmarks. That combined with the fact that most apps are windows-based, and the games are poorly emulated or nonexistent, there's really no reason to buy an apple laptop short of bragging.

> there's really no reason to buy an apple laptop short of bragging

That seems like a simplistic view, and honestly, I'd figure you don't value much what the Mac delivers for me, mostly aesthetic and lack of tinkering. For instance, this Mac has a nice, large trackpad, and even high end laptops from other manufacturers tend to feel a bit clunky by comparison. I don't like fan noise, and the Air performs well for a fanless machine. With a Dell laptop, I still had problems with audio drivers and bluetooth devices--I just don't want to mess with that crap, at all, ever, and even from the manufacturer, I'm dealing with driver issues and bad configuration. I don't want the ability to de-crapify my PC with a fresh install of Windows, I want to open the box and not have an OS loaded with 3rd party crap, and that's not something you get with a PC.

I could probably go on for a while if I thought about it, but I don't even consider an Apple laptop anything to brag about. Generally, I'm tech savvy, but so far over it that I want an appliance machine. I find visible logos, products, and brand identities tacky, so bragging doesn't even enter into the equation. Visible Apple logo counts against the machine for me.

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Post by tarsinge »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #615
Entalpi wrote: post #598

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Intel tried to ”design down” their uArch. Also, there is a TON of pro Mac users. If we define ’pro’ as getting paid for work done on Macs.. Not to mention M1 emulates x86 pretty darn well..

I do get it - you define pro as a guy at work running his backup application in a web browser, and the hipster at starbucks doing "graphic design." I define pro as "a workstation." The m1 does not emulate x86. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Which explains why you define a kid's toy as "pro." I get it - you're getting paid. So is the barista at the starbucks you work from. Kia might define their k…

Just say it: using a laptop on battery power is for hipsters.

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Post by clarkmoreno »

hraedon wrote: post #439
Thaxll wrote: post #147

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Well Apple compared themself to a 3080m which is faster than a 1080ti.

Apple compared the M1 Max to a 3080m. 4x the GPU cores and up to 8x the memory makes a difference, and it wouldn't be at all surprising to see that their numbers are accurate.

lol, got ‘em

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Post by alphabettsy »

genewitch wrote: post #496
amelius wrote: post #351

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My colleague has an M1 Mac. I have a Ubuntu desktop. My colleague always asks me to transcode videos on my machine because on her MacBook it is too slow.

I finally managed to get nvenc working on handbrake and the stupendous frame rate jump actually had me sit in stunned silence, from 3-15FPS to 120FPS on drone 1080p60 footage was jaw dropping. I know the m1 claims to be fast but I'm transcoding on a GPU that's from like 2015!

Newer Macs have hardware accelerated transcode with Handbrake as well.

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Post by foldr »

EvgeniyZh wrote: post #421
foldr wrote: post #378

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If the TDP was really the same we’d be seeing Intel laptops with 20 hour battery lives.

Battery life is more about idle/low load TDP, not full load TDP. It's not like MBP has 60*20=1200 Wh battery (100Wh is FAA limit)

Yes, and the M1 is consuming less power at low loads, enabling longer battery lives. What other explanation do you think there could be for the long battery lives of the M1 laptops?

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Post by true_religion »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #615
Entalpi wrote: post #598

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Intel tried to ”design down” their uArch. Also, there is a TON of pro Mac users. If we define ’pro’ as getting paid for work done on Macs.. Not to mention M1 emulates x86 pretty darn well..

I do get it - you define pro as a guy at work running his backup application in a web browser, and the hipster at starbucks doing "graphic design." I define pro as "a workstation." The m1 does not emulate x86. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Which explains why you define a kid's toy as "pro." I get it - you're getting paid. So is the barista at the starbucks you work from. Kia might define their k…

Hipster graphic designers make upwards of 150,000 a year in my area. The professional in pro, never actually meant “software engineer”. It meant anyone who can hang up their signboard and work on their own: lawyers, doctors, architects, and yes… graphic designers.

Personally, I think software engineers don’t need fast laptops either. We need mainframes and fast local networks. Nothing beats compiling at the speed of 192 cores at once.

Which reminds me, laptops and render farms is exactly the technique those hipster graphic designers you talked about are using so they aren’t missing out on any power.

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