Server Chips: if you removed the GPU, and added ECC - these would be dang nice server chips.
AFAIK LPDDR5 already uses ECC internally so you are halfway there.
Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors
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> what they wont do is put the chip in an expandable and repairable system Because that degrades the performance overall. SoC has proven itself to simply be more performant than a fully hotswappable architecture. Look at the GPU improvements they're mentioning - PCIe 5.0 (yet unreleased) maxes out at 128GB/s, whereas the SoC Apple has announced today is transferring between the CPU/GPU at 400GB/s. In the end, perform…
Comparing memory interface vs PCIe isn't valid. Comparing LPDDR5 vs DDR5 latency, throughput, and power consumption would be good.
In this case I'd argue it is, because to communicate between the CPU and GPU on a non-SoC computer, you need to send that data through the PCIe interface. On the M1 SoC, you don't. They operate differently, and thats the main point here. You have to add those extra comparison points.
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Our local office only uses macOS and Windows for desktop computers, GNU/Linux nowadays only for servers in some Amazon and Azure cloud instances. Apple will have plenty of customers.
OSX is less than 1/7th of the desktop OS market, and iOS is slightly over 1/4th of the phone market; the major cloud companies are the largest consumers of desktop and server scale CPUs, and buy mostly AMD with some Intel only when cluster compatibility requirements apply; when it is non-x86, it is a mix of things that do not include any Apple ARM offerings but do include larger scale higher performance ARM CPUs and…
You are forgetting that GNU/Linux desktop will never happen, it is always going to be Windows or macOS for 98% of the world.
Even if we take ChromeOS and Android into account, ChromeOS is largely irrelevant outside North America school system, and Android will always be a phone OS.
In both cases, the Linux kernel is an implementation detail.
So that leaves Apple with its 10% market share for all creatives, which someone has to develop software for, and iOS devices, which also require developers to create said apps.
Everyone else will stay on Windows as always.
Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors
#934"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…
Yeah but some Android stuff and windows stuff is so low-end that it only lasts for like 2 years and then it's functionally obsolete because of software. All the mac stuff from 10 years ago seems to still be able to work and has security updates.
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So against games that they just became a Patron supporter of Blender [1]... [1] https://www.blender.org/press/apple-joins-blender-developmen...
Blender has strong use case in the animation and movie ecosystems. RenderMan, Pixar has some strong connections with Jobs and in turn with Blender, games may not really be in their radar for Blender sponsorship. Besides supporting creator workflows (Final Cut Pro, best in class laptop graphics, Blender etc) doesn't mean they want to directly support gamers as buyers, just that they believe creators who produce games…
The M1 Pro & Max CPUs are approaching dedicated Laptop GPU levels, so Minis will be a reasonable low/mid-end game machine, comparable to the best PC gaming laptops.
The M* Mac Pros will start out with built-in graphics starting at the M1 Max level and going 4 or perhaps 8x higher, still using integrated graphics.
The fact that Apple now supports $5K dedicated graphics cards on the pro series suggests that the pro M* Macs will be able to use any graphics card (that supports Metal) that you can buy.
The fact that Apple's store was crashing continually after the new laptops were announced suggests that the market for Mac games is going to grow a lot faster than anyone thinks...
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What image dimensions? What app? I find this extremely suspect, but it’s plausible if you’ve way undersold what you’re doing. 24Mpixel 16bit RAW image would have no problem generally on an 4gb machine if it’s truly the only app running and the app isn’t shit. ;)
I shoot timelapse using Canon 5D RAW images, I don't know the exact dimensions off the top of my head but greater than 5000px wide. I then grade them using various programs, ultimately using After Effects to render out full frame ProRes 4444. After Effects was running out of memory. It would crash and fail to render my file. It would display an error message that told me specifically it was out of memory. I increased…
Not the person you're replying to.
>> I was processing 16bit RAW images at full resolution.
>> ...using After Effects to render out full frame ProRes 4444.
Those are two different applications to most of us. No one is accusing you of making things up, just that the first post wasn't fully descriptive of your use case.
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The Client Computing group is larger yes, however few things to keep in mind 1. they don't split revenue for Laptop market alone , So hard to say the impact of laptops (especially Apple) itself on their revenue or margins. 2. Also CCG is much slower growing than the Date Centric Group(DCG) business for Intel in the last 4-5 years as to be expected to be in the future as well. 3. The Apple deal was likely their lowest…
Sorry, disagree on all of these points. Intel has new competition in all its highest margin businesses. It’s not going bust and may well turn things around but if you look at the PE ratio it tells you the market is pretty pessimistic vs its competitors.
I get (and respect) that you disagree with my argument. However only point 3 is inference/opinion that we can argue on,
1. and 2. are just facts from their annual report, maybe there is scope to argue that they are not relevant here or doesn't show the full picture etc, or are you are saying the facts are wrong ?
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> I'm still a bit sad that the era of "general purpose computing" where CPU can do all workloads is coming to an end. You'd have to be extremely old to remember that era. Lots of stuff important to making computers work got split off into separate chips away from the CPU pretty early into mass computing, such as sound, graphics, and networking. We've also been sending a lot of compute from the CPU into the GPU as lat…
Does an Intel 286 without coprocessor count? C64? I remember those, but I wouldn't say I'm extremely old (just regular old).
The IBM PC that debuted with the 286 was the PC/AT ("Advanced Technology", hah) that is best known for introducing the AT bus later called the ISA bus that led to the proliferation of video cards, sound cards, and other expansion cards that made the PC what it is today.
I'm actually not sure there ever was a "true CPU computer age" where all processing was CPU-bound/CPU-based. Even the deservedly beloved MOS 6502 processor that powered everything for a hot decade or so was considered merely a "micro-controller" rather than a "micro-processor" and nearly every use of the MOS 6502 involved a lot of machine-specific video chips, memory management chips. The NES design lasted so long in part because toward then end cartridges would sometimes have entirely custom processing chips pulling work off the MOS 6502.
Even the mainframe era term itself "Central Processing Unit" has always sort of implied it always works in tandem with other "processing units", it's just the most central. (In some mainframe designs I think this was even quite literal in floorplan.) Of course too, when your CPU is a massive tower full of boards that make up individual operations and very the opposite of an Integrated Circuit, it's quite tough to call those a "general purpose CPU" as we imagine them today.
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Yeah I'd prefer that. Converted everything to quality 6ft braided usb-c cables, bought a separate multiport charger. Will have to sell original one...
Just in case people missed it - the magsafe cable connects to the power supply via usb-c. So (in theory) there's nothing special about the charger that you couldn't do with a 3rd party charger, or a multiport charger or something like that.
MagSafe was a gimmick for me - disconnects far too easy, cables fray in like 9 months, only one side, proprietary and overpriced. Use longer cables and they will never be yanked again. MBP is heavy enough that even USB-C is getting pulled out on a good yank.