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Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Is there a tradeoff in terms of power consumption?

> M1 Pro delivers up to 1.7x more CPU performance at the same power level and achieves the PC chip’s peak performance using up to 70 percent less power Uses less power

That's compared to the PC chips, not M1. M1 uses less power at same performance levels.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/mac/standard/A...

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So if I want a new Macbook purely for software development and building mobile apps, what should I pick between the $2499 14" and the $3499 16"? Doesn't look like there's any difference in Xcode build times from their website

Probably depends on your eyesight. I like small laptops with very high resolution, but I have good eyes.

Re: Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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The M1 Pro is faster. The M1 MAX is an M1, but with new control software which makes it keep crashing.

M1 Pro is on the cheapest model, and M1 Max is on the most expensive model. So I think you are just flat out wrong here.

You missed the joke they were making about the Boeing 737 MAX.

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This is about the processors, not the laptops, so commenting on the chips instead. They look great, but they look like they're the M1 design, just more of it. Which is plenty for a laptop! But it'll be interesting to see what they'll do for their desktops. Most of the additional chip area went into more GPUs and special-purpose video codec hardware. It's "just" two more cores than the vanilla M1, and some of the effi…

Could we use M1 chips on non-apple boards? If yes, I wish Apple releases these for non mac os consumption. Eg. Running linux servers in the cloud.

Wasn't there a rumor that AMD was creating ARM chips? It will be great if we have ARM versions of EPYC chips.

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If you don't max out the HDD space, but max out all the portions which effect performance, it only about half that.

IIRC bigger SSDs in previous generations had higher performance.

That's fundamental to how NAND flash memory works. For high-end PCIe Gen4 SSD product lines, the 1TB models are usually not quite as fast as the 2TB models, and 512GB models can barely use the extra bandwidth over PCIe Gen3. But 2TB is usually enough to saturate the SSD controller or host interface when using PCIe Gen4 and TLC NAND.

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Now, if only Unreal Engine builds were available M1 native, I could get rid of my huge and heavy desktop entirely! Interestingly, some improvements to Rosetta were mentioned, extremely briefly.

Apple very much against games, they've even broken OpenGL just because. Don't expect any type of gaming ecosystem around Apple anytime soon.

They literally had a Unity developer in the showcase during the keynote.

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I think the higher memory is also a huge win, with support for up to 64gb.

I thought the memory was one of the more interesting bits here. My 2-year-old Intel MBP has 64 GB, and 8 GB of additional memory on the GPU. True, on the M1 Max you don't have to copy back and forth between CPU and GPU thanks to integrated memory, but the new MBP still has less total memory than my 2-year-old Intel MBP. And it seems they just barely managed to get to 64 GiB. The whole processor chip is surrounded by…

How much of that 64 GB is in use at the same time though? Caching not recently used stuff from DRAM out to an SSD isn't actually that slow, especially with the high speed SSD that Apple uses.

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This is about the processors, not the laptops, so commenting on the chips instead. They look great, but they look like they're the M1 design, just more of it. Which is plenty for a laptop! But it'll be interesting to see what they'll do for their desktops. Most of the additional chip area went into more GPUs and special-purpose video codec hardware. It's "just" two more cores than the vanilla M1, and some of the effi…

Could we use M1 chips on non-apple boards? If yes, I wish Apple releases these for non mac os consumption. Eg. Running linux servers in the cloud.

Why? There are plenty of server oriented ARM platforms available for use (See AWS Graviton). What benefit do you feel Apple’s platform gives over existing ones?

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Really curious if the memory bandwidth is entirely available to the CPU if the GPU is idle. An nvidia RTX3090 has nearly 1TB/s bandwidth, so the GPU is clearly going to use as much of the 400GB/s as possible. Other unified architectures have multiple channels or synchronization to memory, such that no one part of the system can access the full bandwidth. But if the CPU can access all 400GB/s, that is an absolute game…

Not sure if it will be available, but 400GB/s is way too much for 8 cores to take up. You would need some sort of avx512 to hog up that much bandwidth. Moreover, it's not clear how much of a bandwidth/width does M1 max CPU interconnect/bus provide. -------- Edit: Add common sense about HPC workloads. There is a fundamental idea called memory-access-to-computation ratio. We can't assume a 1:0 ratio since it was doing…

A single big core in the M1 could pretty much saturate the memory bandwidth available.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

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Any indication on the gaming performance of these vs. a typical nvidia or AMD card? My husband is thinking of purchasing a mac but I've cautioned him that he won't be able to use his e-gpu like usual until someone hacks support to work for it again, and even then he'd be stuck with pretty old gen AMD cards at best.

In terms of Hardware M1 Max is great. On paper you wont find anything match its performance under load. As even Gaming / Content Creation Laptop throttle after a short while. The problem is gaming isn't exactly a Mac thing. From Game selection to general support on the platform. So really performance should be the least of your concern if you are buying a Mac for games.

He typically just dual-boots windows anyway so selection isn't much of an issue, though I also don't know if that is working yet on the M1 platform
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