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Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't overthink it. The article was probably translated from Dutch, or done by a Dutch person, and there isn't direct equivalent for "listings" in Dutch.

That's interesting. So how would a Dutch person describe Google search results listings with ads in between?

They'd call them "search results" (zoekresultaten).

FWIW, real estate listings are "advertisements" here.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

#112
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it I also live in Sweden and that is a very Sweden specific assumption. Even just across the border in Norway that assumption doesn't hold. Sweden on the whole is very anti small private landlords and have lots of laws making it basically impossible to make money by buying a few flats and renting them ou…

> Sweden on the whole is very anti small private landlords and have lots of laws making it basically impossible to make money by buying a few flats and renting them out, but that is also a pretty uniquely Swedish take on the property market.

This is an extremely idealized version of the real situation - at least in Stockholm. Here, the only real cap on the number of apartments being bought for (often illegal) hire, is the spiralling cost of real estate. Many of my colleagues rent their apartments on the black market - which is often the only way to get a home within the city.

Official rental apartments generally have a waiting-list of around 20 years within the city-limits, and even needing to commute from far out in the suburbs a newly-arrived person will probably need to rent on the black-market. This is a well-known and documented situation.

Airbnb has definitely made the situation much worse in Stockholm - the supposed '3600' apartments are actually far greater in number, as can be seen if one switches off location-permissions in your browser, and take a look at available rentals in the area.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

#113
post #85

Amsterdam is trying hard to fight against tourism. They even plan to move the red light district and possibly demand dutch ID in coffeeshops. Nice to see that. 20M tourists per year for 1.2M city is too much.

Yeah, who cares about those who make a living off tourism. They should learn to code.

Fortunately these people had their chance to learn new ways to earning wages during the pandemic :)

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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post #66
post #36

Airbnb was amazing to start with, I stayed with some many interesting people and in interesting places. It's a shame that it's now so commoditised.

Lot's of experiences are amazing and wonderful when very few people do it, but they morph into something different when the masses come in. National parks. A rustic cafe in an old town. A picknick along a river bank. High signal internet forums. Venice. Zhangjiajie. Driving cars. I don't know if any solution exists. It seems to me that the only way to preserve the original experience is via some sort of exclusiveness…

In the case of CouchSurfing, it kept being genuine for a number of years despite and even thanks to the large user base. What destroyed the community is greed that lead to implementing incentives that go against what made the experience wonderful.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

#116
post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

Whole buildings were purposefully converted to illegal hotels. It's been a factor in rising property prices and housing shortages. Less tourism is one of the unexpected bonuses of COVID-19.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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"Advertisement" = "Property" if I'm reading this correctly. Seems a fairly ambiguous way to word it.

It's not always 1:1, sometimes each room in an apartment is advertised as a separate listing. We've been misled by this assumption before.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

#118
post #103

I'd be surprised if a large % of those that no longer rent out on Airbnb can just leave their properties empty. I wonder whether those properties have shifted to other short-term rental platforms or whether they've gone back into long-term renting and what impact that the latter (would) have on the local rental market...

The 20% yoy housing price increases in NL have made it more than profitable to leave properties dormant. This is another factor in the housing crisis here, savings are taxed so wealthy individuals are all investing in property.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

#119
post #66
post #36

Airbnb was amazing to start with, I stayed with some many interesting people and in interesting places. It's a shame that it's now so commoditised.

Lot's of experiences are amazing and wonderful when very few people do it, but they morph into something different when the masses come in. National parks. A rustic cafe in an old town. A picknick along a river bank. High signal internet forums. Venice. Zhangjiajie. Driving cars. I don't know if any solution exists. It seems to me that the only way to preserve the original experience is via some sort of exclusiveness…

Air travel was great in the early days.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

Whole buildings were purposefully converted to illegal hotels. It's been a factor in rising property prices and housing shortages. Less tourism is one of the unexpected bonuses of COVID-19.

There's a whole class of society that won't think of decreased tourism as a good thing
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