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Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by scrose »

nikanj wrote: post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

Years ago when Airbnb was picking up steam and I was in college I got a gig building a tool to automate cross-referencing Airbnb listings with housing records so the city could request the optional tourism tax.

What we found surprised all of them. A handful of people were listing sometimes over a dozen properties and avoiding the larger, but not optional, hotel tax. The 80% figure doesn’t surprise me much now just knowing how a few individuals can flood the short-term rental market in an area.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by saiya-jin »

philliphaydon wrote: post #67
wombatmobile wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was your experience with Airbnb?

I needed a serviced apartment, and decided to use Airbnb because between Agoda and Airbnb, it was ever-so-slightly cheaper. When I searched it said the 100% refundable cancellation policy. So I made the booking, I adjusted the dates to 30 days, it didn't tell me that changing the date range to > 28 days changes the cancellation policy to an entirelly different policy that is dictated by the host. So when the Taiwan b…

So you agreed to a contract, didn't bother to read the fine print, this fired back and so your emotional response is schadenfreude... I believe you can do better than that

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by dagw »

gerikson wrote: post #18
jikbd wrote: post #7

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Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it

I also live in Sweden and that is a very Sweden specific assumption. Even just across the border in Norway that assumption doesn't hold.

Sweden on the whole is very anti small private landlords and have lots of laws making it basically impossible to make money by buying a few flats and renting them out, but that is also a pretty uniquely Swedish take on the property market.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by sumedh »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #57
sumedh wrote: post #40

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What makes it a scam?

Providing a service without following the laws. In this case, a hotel booking site without hotels. It's like uber, a taxi service without drivers/cars.

> In this case, a hotel booking site without hotels.

It did not start out as a hotel booking service though.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by gerikson »

iofiiiiiiiii wrote: post #25
gerikson wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

> it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. Says who? This is a rather bold assumption to make and does not have any connection with the reality in most of the world.

My comments were made from my experience as a renter and condo owner in Stockholm, Sweden. I did speculate that similar norms were present in the Netherlands, but I must confess I have not studied the issue deeply.

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Post by gerikson »

dagw wrote: post #73
gerikson wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it I also live in Sweden and that is a very Sweden specific assumption. Even just across the border in Norway that assumption doesn't hold. Sweden on the whole is very anti small private landlords and have lots of laws making it basically impossible to make money by buying a few flats and renting them ou…

Thanks for expanding, I do admit writing from a parochial perspective.

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Post by b112 »

gerikson wrote: post #65
DonHopkins wrote: post #61

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If it's no longer acceptable to own a human being, that's going to be a problem for the gimp training and service industry in Amsterdam. https://www.nobleprog.nl/en/gimp/training/amsterdam >Gimp Training in Amsterdam >Online or onsite, instructor-led live Gimp training courses demonstrate through interactive discussion and hands-on practice the fundamentals and advanced topics of Gimp and Gimpshop. >Gimp training is…

I'm pretty sure the waiters are paid competitive rates and are free to seek other employment. So comparing them to literal slaves is disingenuous.

But they're working for people, doing what they might not want to on their own free time! Slavery!

I dislike how some diminish this term, with such frivolous complaints. Yes, surely the waiters were hobbled. Or beaten to death. Or starved, worked 18 hour days, etc.

Totally similar!

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by jonkoops »

srmarm wrote: post #36

Airbnb was amazing to start with, I stayed with some many interesting people and in interesting places. It's a shame that it's now so commoditised.

Yeah, but from the perspective of people actually trying to live in these places it's a cancer on the city.

I personally know several people previously living in Amsterdam that left the city or parts of it simply because their day-to-day lives were getting disrupted by tourists taking over residential neighborhoods. They create a lot of noise, get drunk and high, vomit in the porches, leave trash everywhere etc.

A city should be for people that live there, not a theme park for those looking for a rush.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

DonHopkins wrote: post #61
locallost wrote: post #46

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There are tons of limitations to what you can do with your property. E.g. you can own land but can't build a house if the land is not zoned for it. Even the meaning of property has changed over the centuries. It's no longer acceptable to own a human being, which was a contested idea not too long ago. It's the people that make a society that decide what they want the rules to be. Good for the people of Amsterdam that…

If it's no longer acceptable to own a human being, that's going to be a problem for the gimp training and service industry in Amsterdam. https://www.nobleprog.nl/en/gimp/training/amsterdam >Gimp Training in Amsterdam >Online or onsite, instructor-led live Gimp training courses demonstrate through interactive discussion and hands-on practice the fundamentals and advanced topics of Gimp and Gimpshop. >Gimp training is…

I think those are two very different types of gimps.
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