Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by nradov » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 12:40 PM UTC

my123 wrote: post #155

nradov wrote: post #62

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Comparing GDP to market capitalization is meaningless. If you want to make a useful comparison then GDP is more akin to gross profit.

Revenue, not gross profit.

Gross profit, not revenue.

”The GDP is the total of all value added created in an economy. The value added means the value of goods and services that have been produced minus the value of the goods and services needed to produce them, the so called intermediate consumption."

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by magicalist » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

fortran77 wrote: post #169

devwastaken wrote: post #33

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People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

I’m all for workers organizing. But these “protesters” were insincere and disingenuous. The very same Apple employees who were demanding that Apple fight Texas’ new abortion laws were also demanding that Apple support Palestine — where abortion is 100% illegal.

> The very same Apple employees who were demanding that Apple fight Texas’ new abortion laws were also demanding that Apple support Palestine — where abortion is 100% illegal.

I can find no articles linking Janneke Parrish to opinions on Palestine, so I'm not sure how that's relevant.

(and of course this is a vapid test for sincerity of beliefs. Are all people who want to ban abortion but supportive of Israel similarly insincere and disingenuous?)

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by billiam » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

objclxt wrote: post #73

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61

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If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

> if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more Who says that’s what will happen? Tom Cruise is a member of SAG, do you think he gets paid SAG union rates? Union busters in tech have done a fantastic job of convincing engineers that all unions are blue-collar. Which is funny, because you only have to look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to pro…

What about sports unions? Or airplane pilots?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by billiam » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:27 PM UTC

It’s a measure of how broken our political system and citizenry is that so many young people look to the giant companies they work for the rights and privileges and space for self-expression properly secured by government.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by learningram » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

loeg wrote: post #40

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

I think you get exactly the same kind of "employee's fault," corporate defenders in all of these kinds of discussions.

I think you do not hate corporations just for the sake of it. There is money in the outrage business. Every movement can be sabotaged by people who have their own self interest t the forefront. It is easy to hide bad behavior under emotional issues.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by oceanghost » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

koonsolo wrote: post #113

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92

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I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

Why do you want to be a little cog in a huge machine?

Helplessness Blues Fleet Foxes

I was raised up believing I was somehow unique Like a snowflake distinct among snowflakes, unique in each way you can see And now after some thinking, I'd say I'd rather be A functioning cog in some great machinery serving something beyond me

But I don't, I don't know what that will be I'll get back to you someday soon you will see

What's my name, what's my station? Oh, just tell me what I should do I don't need to be kind to the armies of night that would do such injustice to you Or bow down and be grateful and say, "Sure, take all that you see" To the men who move only in dimly-lit halls and determine my future for me

And I don't, I don't know who to believe I'll get back to you someday soon you will see

If I know only one thing, it's that everything that I see Of the world outside is so inconceivable often I barely can speak Yeah I'm tongue-tied and dizzy and I can't keep it to myself What good is it to sing helplessness blues, why should I wait for anyone else?

And I know, I know you will keep me on the shelf I'll come back to you someday soon myself

If I had an orchard, I'd work 'til I'm raw If I had an orchard, I'd work 'til I'm sore And you would wait tables and soon run the store

Gold hair in the sunlight, my light in the dawn If I had an orchard, I'd work 'til I'm sore If I had an orchard, I'd work 'til I'm sore Someday I'll be like the man on the screen

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by dang » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

hvocode wrote: post #131

fenomas wrote: post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer. I kno…

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by dang » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

That is a vast overgeneralization. I think you may be falling prey to the notice-dislike bias:

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Everyone with strong feelings on $topic thinks the community is biased against their views.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by dang » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 2:16 PM UTC

pandanomic wrote: post #50

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

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Post by analognoise » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #47

analognoise wrote: post #36

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...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.

Which is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.

What? Nobody from today's generation would let them rummage about their houses either, would they?

Although it's true I could see a generation that grew up on the internet understanding it better than the generation who always use it through a phone.