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Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by throw_m239339 »

> Apple Maps program manager Janneke Parrish was accused of deleting files that reportedly included the apps Robinhood, Pokemon GO, and Google Drive, and by doing so, impeding an investigation. According to The Verge, Apple staffers believe that the firing is actually retaliation for her work organizing the group that talks about conditions within the company.

Both can be true. She might have done something that was a fire-able offense (or at least something in the grey area that can be tolerated) yet Apple was looking for an excuse to get rid of her.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by lowkey_ »

thomasahle wrote: post #24
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. What if you found every other company were the same way? > Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions. That's like telling s…

> What if you found every other company were the same way?

Then make your own company, or failing that, start to think critically about why every company is structured in the way it is. Maybe others have tried it your way and it didn't work?

> That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family.

Luckily, because of the freedom this country offers us, the solution is instead to (per the metaphor) go to another of the million monarchies, create your own monarchy, or, yes, work your way up in the monarchy. If you decide to start causing chaos and sowing discontent in your current kingdom, then you may be kicked out of it.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by sverhagen »

ianai wrote: post #21
analognoise wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

Sorry, how does it make sense? Except after a lot of gaslighting? And maybe not by you, but I also feel the arguments of "don't put personal things on your work phone" and "don't delete [personal things] off your work phone" are getting blurred easily in this whole comment section.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by nradov »

kashkhan wrote: post #32
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

dynamics are different if the company is small or big. It's like asking a person to leave a country, instead of trying to make it better. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

Apple only has 80K employees. As countries go, that's a pretty small one.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by kashkhan »

nradov wrote: post #44
kashkhan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dynamics are different if the company is small or big. It's like asking a person to leave a country, instead of trying to make it better. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

Apple only has 80K employees. As countries go, that's a pretty small one.

80k direct plus a lot more indirect.

And a decent gdp.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by nradov »

thomasahle wrote: post #24
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. What if you found every other company were the same way? > Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions. That's like telling s…

Your question makes no sense. Not every company is the same way. There are other companies with different cultural values and employment policies. Apple doesn't operate any company towns where there are no other employers.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by ianai »

analognoise wrote: post #36
ianai wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.

Which is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by judge2020 »

fenomas wrote: post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

It's not "required", the office culture is just one that encourages employees to dogfood new features and whatnot on their daily drivers. It's not uncommon for Apple employees to make new regular Apple IDs for work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037

It's fair to say that combining personal data with work data won't end well.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by da_big_ghey »

angry_octet wrote: post #28
da_big_ghey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, I am confused why the surprise that somebody bad-mouth an employer publicly and get fired for it. Ask, if you were in a business, you have a problem employee who will not stop talking to press to make a public damage against your reputation. How can you handle this when this employee will not stop? Said person is now working against your company interests and not for.

This is a big cultural disconnect. What you interpret as "bad mouthing" is actually an indication of corporate health, a mechanism for self-correcting behaviour, and pruning bad management practices that cause behaviour to deviate from objectives. However, your views are not uncommon, people like to hide their misbehavior, and it's always a challenge to root those people out.

Its not criticism that is any problem. Its going to press to try to force some change when you are not getting entirely your way. This is a bad thing. Correct answer if this person was seriously in the interest of Apple would be write letters to shareholders/board if management has ignore the concern.
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