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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by analognoise »

lowkey_ wrote: post #8
d3nj4l wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not immaterial, and apple is crazy for firing her for deleting Pokemon go, if that is the actual reason and she didn't delete any actual data.

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by da_big_ghey »

d3nj4l wrote: post #7
paleotrope wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The apps are immaterial, she deleted things off her phone during an investigation. The reporting here is to make you think Apple is crazy for doing so, "Apple fired her for deleting a kids game app? What a bunch of weirdos."

It's not immaterial, and apple is crazy for firing her for deleting Pokemon go, if that is the actual reason and she didn't delete any actual data.

Along with a file sharing app where she could have moved basically any data (google drive) yes? Not a good look for her. This was work device, I am surprised people still have not learned that no personal thing can ever touch work device.

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Post by prepend »

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that.

I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions.

Or I’d start a company and do it my way.

I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack channel. It’s good for complaining or winning a lawsuit, but don’t think it’s going to organically make change.

It’s sad this person lost their job, but seems reasonable to get fired if you delete things off company equipment when you’ve been directed not to do that.

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Post by matt123456789 »

N_A_T_E wrote: post #5

Obvious retaliation on apple’s part. Unfortunately that’s employment at will. Unions might be an answer but that’s a whole set of trade offs.

Perhaps, but what evidence leads you to that conclusion? The only facts that the article mentions are that she was fired for what Apple claims is the destruction of evidence related to an ongoing investigation, and what coworkers say is organizing a group to discuss internal issues. Seems like he-said/she-said right now, not “obvious retaliation”. Further evidence welcome.

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Post by fenomas »

elliekelly wrote: post #2

I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.

Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud.

https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

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Post by da_big_ghey »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

Agree, I am confused why the surprise that somebody bad-mouth an employer publicly and get fired for it. Ask, if you were in a business, you have a problem employee who will not stop talking to press to make a public damage against your reputation. How can you handle this when this employee will not stop? Said person is now working against your company interests and not for.

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Post by 3grdlurker »

hanklazard wrote: post #10
lowkey_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting Her work phone is pertinent to the investigation, and I'm more curious how she thought it was a good idea to have her personal Pokémon Go and Robinhood accounts on her work phone. Edit: Incoming downvotes but this will stand — a work phone is not your phone ! You should not be tru…

I don’t have a reference, but I believe Apple actually promotes using the same phone for work and personal. Seems pretty useful when you want to fire someone on a technicality /s.

Promotes isn’t requires , though. I’ve read that before as well, but the language around it has always suggested that employees can get away with having a second phone.
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