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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by iab »

analognoise wrote: post #25
Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

I could listen to people complain about Google Drive all day

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by kashkhan »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

dynamics are different if the company is small or big.

It's like asking a person to leave a country, instead of trying to make it better.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by devwastaken »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points.

Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows exponentially, wealth is concentrated, salaries relatively decrease, jobs become commoditized, and companies are overall too big. Most new devs today are not going to see the same autonomy. Devs are slaved in plenty of jobs already, and no they don't make enough nor can they just drop and make a startup using someone else's money. Those things are the top of the 1% of workers.

It's demonstrated time and again that outrage at companies works. Marketers run the show, and they don't like bad publicity. In this case it's probably not enough to do anything. Apple has their fingers in too many pies and people can't afford to drop their lock in ecosystem.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by angry_octet »

speedybird wrote: post #9

How many people are involved in this AppleToo thing? It's hard for me to get a handle on just how significant any of this is in the scope of the whole corporation. I clicked through a few links in the article and see various numbers, 15 people, 200 people, 500 'instances'.

Only those with the most secure job prospects would take the risk to report, so you have to estimate the denominator -- what proportion of the boldest and most privileged employees report, and what can we infer about the wider company from this?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by techrat »

analognoise wrote: post #25
Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

> We regularly BEAT on Apple.

From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by analognoise »

ianai wrote: post #21
analognoise wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by techrat »

fenomas wrote: post #16
elliekelly wrote: post #2

I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.

Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

> Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices

That's a big fuckin' nope and likely illegal.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by ianai »

fenomas wrote: post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Shouldn’t you probably degoogle or deapple your online stuff before working for a competitor? I know that’s a high bar, but there’s probably a point between lowest rung worker and VP where it makes sense professionally/personally.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by loeg »

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

I think you get exactly the same kind of "employee's fault," corporate defenders in all of these kinds of discussions.
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