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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by 0xy »

gorilla_fight wrote: post #109
jmcgough wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

> compared being trans to wearing black face He also compared transwomen genitalia to vegetarian meat substitutes (Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger)

Even doctors who perform transgender surgeries have publicly stated concerns about the end results of those operations, most publicly the doctor who performed surgery on the reality star Jazz Jennings.

In fact, he warned against the use of the surgeries at all because of the questionable results. [1]

There's thousands of pieces of anecdotes in various trans subreddits focused around surgeries, but I won't link them because they're very disturbing. They're easy to find if you wish.

[1] https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-doctors-warn-against-sex-...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #143
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #140

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What's bigoted keeps changing and keeps finding or inventing exponentially smaller, to the point of statistical irrelevance, demographics to turn the entire world upside down over Who can keep up any more? The rules change faster than slang and fashion.

How about "As you would have others do to you, so do to them", no matter who they are?

I try to and I feel a lot of people do

But that's not good enough for people bc now you're expected to walk a linguistic minefield due to all the pedantic asshole on the internet who won't listen in good faith, then accuse you of speaking in bad faith

A good example is this thread. Chappelle was trying to use anecdotes to meet people halfway, and he did it in his language of comedy.

People accuse him of punching down... But comedy that concerns itself with punching up or lunching down is comedy + something else. Its not comedy. Just like atheism+. And so Chappell is coming from a different perspective and no one wants to see and listen to what he's trying to say.

Comedians say all kinds of fucked up shit to each other. That's their language. He extended the olive branch and for that.... There's firings and walkout and internet arguments.

Golden rule can't apply on the global stage when there's 20% of the left SEEKING offense wherever they can find it and constantly demanding others change on their behalf.

The Golden rule never took cry-bullies who cry foul for power games into consideration

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by pseudalopex »

0xy wrote: post #161
gorilla_fight wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> compared being trans to wearing black face He also compared transwomen genitalia to vegetarian meat substitutes (Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger)

Even doctors who perform transgender surgeries have publicly stated concerns about the end results of those operations, most publicly the doctor who performed surgery on the reality star Jazz Jennings. In fact, he warned against the use of the surgeries at all because of the questionable results. [1] There's thousands of pieces of anecdotes in various trans subreddits focused around surgeries, but I won't link them b…

> In fact, he warned against the use of the surgeries at all because of the questionable results.

No. She said blocking puberty at the 1st visible signs had drawbacks for vaginoplasty later.[1] This isn't news to people in the field. Not blocking puberty has drawbacks too. Doctors, patients, and parents have to weigh the pros and cons.

[1] https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by david38 »

0x5f3759df-i wrote: post #73
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

I watched it as well. All nuance on the topic has been obliterated by the topic being absorbed into the larger culture war, but above anything it just wasn't funny. On net, the people calling Chapelle out are more correct than his defenders. He really did spend an hour making unfunny jokes at trans people's expense. Was the whole thing as bad as many who didn't watch it are assuming based on a few cherry picked quote…

What’s unfunny to you is funny to someone else.

Almost all jokes are at someone’s expense.

Nothing illegal was said, so if you don’t like it, just don’t watch it, it’s really that simple. I get tired of the tyranny of the minority telling me what I’m allowed to do.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by david38 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #151
Graffur wrote: post #123

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Did you watch it though.. its not about him having a trans friend? He states multiple times he's a feminist and relates to struggles people have in life. He sides with JK Rowling. That doesn't make him bad.. that makes him sane!

it isn’t a “sides” thing really… trans women are asking to be treated like women and some people feel the need to say “no”

People who are declaring themselves to be women are demanding they they treated like women, get all the privileges of women, and criminalize descent.

This is very different from your word games. Having a right to do something everyone else does, like buy a house, get credit in my name, etc is different from demanding I act out your identity under punishment of arrest.

If you are drowning, I am not obligated to save you, yet somehow I’m responsible for your feelings?

Some people saying yes and some people saying no is literally what a “sides” thing is.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by david38 »

jmcgough wrote: post #41
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

There are people upset he doesn’t agree with them. They are trying to paint this as him bullying a vulnerable community.

If a Netflix show makes a group feel threatened and reacts by trying to censor him, that community should just stop watching him.

By the reviews from actual people, not people paid to write reviews, I’d say there are a lot more people who enjoyed the show.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by david38 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #51
jmcgough wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Not agreeing that you belong to a biologically defined community that has a unique set of issues is about as far from from dehumanizing as it gets.

By this argument, blacks are dehumanizing by not accepting whites who want to be black, even though any biologist can tell you “race” doesn’t exist in any meaningful way. In fact the left successfully used this argument to defeat the popularity of far-right white supremacy groups.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by 0xy »

pseudalopex wrote: post #163
0xy wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even doctors who perform transgender surgeries have publicly stated concerns about the end results of those operations, most publicly the doctor who performed surgery on the reality star Jazz Jennings. In fact, he warned against the use of the surgeries at all because of the questionable results. [1] There's thousands of pieces of anecdotes in various trans subreddits focused around surgeries, but I won't link them b…

> In fact, he warned against the use of the surgeries at all because of the questionable results. No. She said blocking puberty at the 1st visible signs had drawbacks for vaginoplasty later.[1] This isn't news to people in the field. Not blocking puberty has drawbacks too. Doctors, patients, and parents have to weigh the pros and cons. [1] https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-...

The ethics of using risky dangerous drugs on children (who grow out of GD over 50% of the time) is pretty clear cut to me.

You risk permanent bone damage for the minority of cases where it has some advantages? The "advantages" are apparently easier transgender surgery, which in its current form is essentially a disaster. The operation is brutal and the results are rarely good. The majority of the time there are serious, life-changing consequences. All this risk for something that I think even transgender people would agree isn't there yet in terms of utility nor aesthetics.

After all that, the suicidality of transgender people post-operation is virtually the same as pre-operation.

For those reasons, I find it extremely hard to support the use of risky drugs and a very rocky pathway for children who have GD. The fact transgender people tend to ignore these risks, paper over them and encourage questioning people onto this path isn't a good look.

The drugs are dangerous, irreversible and have a very questionable upside. Full stop.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by kcplate »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #150
kcplate wrote: post #125

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> He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively playing defense the entire special. Of course he did, the reaction he received was exactly the punchline he wanted out of the whole special. He basically dared people to try and cancel him, and when they dutifully fell in line and created the uproar he predicted would happen, it underscored his entire point about hurting LGBQT+ feelings generating much more…

you think this is “more societal outrage”? it’s just people being upset at dave chapelle

How many news stories have you read about violence and prejudice against black folks in the last 2 weeks compared to stories about this?

There have been over 600 murders in Chicago and over 2700 shootings in 2021 alone, with 75% of those folks being black.

Yet…it’s a national news story for two weeks that Dave Chappelle told some jokes that offended a tiny percentage of people.

That was the point of the whole special.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dang »

fallingknife wrote: post #110
Omnitaus wrote: post #77

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I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

> The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live This is a lie. Nothing of the sort was said in Chapelle's comedy. > Netflix platformed violence And you are lying again

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