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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by wayneftw »

mkr-hn wrote: post #72
Joeboy wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going with that comparison, it's like having an especially vicious rage towards feminist women who are homophobic, despite almost everybody else also being homophobic.

Transphobia is contradictory to any definition of feminism rooted in the actual history of feminism. TERF ideology depends on the belief that trans women are confused men, trans men are confused lesbians, and nonbinary people are just confused.

Sounds like the TERFs have a very reasonable position that doesn't involve the rest of society changing the definitions of words based on extremely questionable socially and politically motivated soft sciences.

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Post by da39a3ee »

plorkyeran wrote: post #90
da39a3ee wrote: post #80

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The definition being used is in the first sentence of my post. Yes perhaps it's non standard, but "TERF" is a pejorative invented by pro-trans activists.

TERF was a term coined by TERFs who then backed away from it when it started being used derogatorily.

Oh, OK, sounds like you know more about it than me. I'm just talking about the position of retaining a concept of women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children, and being a feminist meaning recognizing that the group thus-defined has been severely mistreated by men over the centuries and to the present day. I honestly can't really believe that any of this needs explaining, it's just surreal.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #140
theklr wrote: post #139

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Don’t do this. Both sides have to stop with generalizations. And both sides have to stop using their handful of [x] friends to represent a non monolithic community. One’s experience doesn’t justify bigoted actions.

What's bigoted keeps changing and keeps finding or inventing exponentially smaller, to the point of statistical irrelevance, demographics to turn the entire world upside down over Who can keep up any more? The rules change faster than slang and fashion.

How about "As you would have others do to you, so do to them", no matter who they are?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dang »

fleddr wrote: post #114
krapp wrote: post #81

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No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The t…

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

Personal attacks like that will get you banned on HN. Cliché flamewar comments, which this also is, aren't much better. Worse yet, you've repeatedly been posting flamewar comments to HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28868269).

Would you please review the site guidelines and stop posting like that? We're trying for a (very) different kind of discussion here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dang »

krapp wrote: post #131
fleddr wrote: post #114

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No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

> Get over yourself. LOL. OK edgelord. I can see I'm not going to get an actual conversation from you. Have a nice day.

Would you please not break the site guidelines just because someone else did? It's really dismaying to see an established user like you stooping to that level.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by greyface- »

da39a3ee wrote: post #142
plorkyeran wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TERF was a term coined by TERFs who then backed away from it when it started being used derogatorily.

Oh, OK, sounds like you know more about it than me. I'm just talking about the position of retaining a concept of women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children, and being a feminist meaning recognizing that the group thus-defined has been severely mistreated by men over the centuries and to the present day. I honestly can't really believe that any of this needs explaining, it's just surreal.

> women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children

This definition also excludes:

* humans with one X chromosome (1 per 2000 to 5000 humans born [1])

* humans with three X chromosomes (1 per 1000 women born [2])

* infertile women (6% of married women under 45 in the US [3])

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisomy_X

[3]: https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/infertility/

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by murat124 »

undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

> I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me.

I watched his latest special and perhaps I didn't catch it but could you give examples about the specific language he used? I'd like go back and watch again.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by throwaway32091 »

dnsco wrote: post #104
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

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Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

> Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. Many non-western nations traditionally had third gender (Hijras in India, Kathoey in Thailand, many Native American Two-Spirit Identities). When these places were colonized these identities were used as a justification, and generally punished harshly. The argument that "only people in western nations tolerate this", is bad-faith, and doesn't…

The hijra cult in India kidnaps children and brutally castrates them, then pimps them out. Western gender theorists using hijras to justify their ideology is one hell of an own goal.

https://www.rediff.com/news/1998/oct/20hijra.htm

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/special-report/story/1994...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by da39a3ee »

greyface- wrote: post #146
da39a3ee wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, OK, sounds like you know more about it than me. I'm just talking about the position of retaining a concept of women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children, and being a feminist meaning recognizing that the group thus-defined has been severely mistreated by men over the centuries and to the present day. I honestly can't really believe that any of this needs explaining, it's just surreal.

> women meaning humans with two X chromosomes who can bear children This definition also excludes: * humans with one X chromosome (1 per 2000 to 5000 humans born [1]) * humans with three X chromosomes (1 per 1000 women born [2]) * infertile women (6% of married women under 45 in the US [3]) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisomy_X [3]: https://www.cdc.gov/reprodu…

Yes! Exactly that's the point. Biology's complicated, of course there are edge cases. That in no way alters the fact that the core concept is that a woman is an XX human.

Re infertility, don't be silly. Yes I didn't word it perfectly, I meant "XX, i.e. the sex that bears children in mammals". Do you know what anisogamy means? This stuff wasn't complicated 20 years ago and funnily enough the science hasn't changed.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot »

kcplate wrote: post #125
micromacrofoot wrote: post #58

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ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

> He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively playing defense the entire special. Of course he did, the reaction he received was exactly the punchline he wanted out of the whole special. He basically dared people to try and cancel him, and when they dutifully fell in line and created the uproar he predicted would happen, it underscored his entire point about hurting LGBQT+ feelings generating much more…

you think this is “more societal outrage”? it’s just people being upset at dave chapelle
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