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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by da_big_ghey »

devwastaken wrote: post #33
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by nradov »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #53
nradov wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple only has 80K employees. As countries go, that's a pretty small one.

As GDP's go, Apple is the 8th largest country on earth by market cap. I know this is a bad equivalency, but they have VASTLY outsized influence with those 80,000 employees because of the wealth they generate. With recent moves like Walmart creating in-house health care options, and Salesforce offering to move people out of Texas because of their abortion laws, our late-stage capitalism is morphing into the cyberpunk…

Comparing GDP to market capitalization is meaningless. If you want to make a useful comparison then GDP is more akin to gross profit.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by [deleted] »

Talanes wrote: post #58
techrat wrote: post #35

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> We regularly BEAT on Apple. From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.

I've never seen a struck out anti-Apple comment that didn't spend the majority of the comment preemptively complaining about downvotes and disagreement.

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by burnished »

lowkey_ wrote: post #42
thomasahle wrote: post #24

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> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. What if you found every other company were the same way? > Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions. That's like telling s…

> What if you found every other company were the same way? Then make your own company, or failing that, start to think critically about why every company is structured in the way it is. Maybe others have tried it your way and it didn't work? > That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family. Luckily, because of the freedom t…

Or, use your freedom to stay where you are and try to change things. You can't pull the freedom card to tell some one they should do something else. Its not consistent.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by tcmart14 »

urthor wrote: post #57
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

The problem is that if nobody talks up, the world doesn't become a better place. The "like we did in the old days" way of doing stuff, you watch on Mad Men, was pretty unkind to a lot of different folks.

I know right. I seem to remember the late 1800s and early 1900s where unions were fighting to take care of that stuff. Is that not old ways? Are 'old ways' only occurring in a specific time period?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by ruined »

lowkey_ wrote: post #42
thomasahle wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. What if you found every other company were the same way? > Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions. That's like telling s…

> What if you found every other company were the same way? Then make your own company, or failing that, start to think critically about why every company is structured in the way it is. Maybe others have tried it your way and it didn't work? > That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family. Luckily, because of the freedom t…

to continue in that metaphor, it's worth noting that here and most anywhere with something resembling "the freedom this country offers" was formerly a monarchy in which people thinking critically about the way it was structured started causing chaos and sowing discontent, so they could try this other way that people didn't think would work. say about that what you will.

it's not surprising that efforts are being made today to decentralize power within the private sphere and create broader rights and democratic management of capital. it's the place people feel most pressure in their lives today, feel the most helpless, and unable to act in their own interests or make their own way.

and of course people who are invested in the current system of management will make arguments that it is perfectly rational and any other system cannot work.

maybe everyone trying this will get kicked out. but i don't think that will discourage or prevent groups like this, because that doesn't kill the motivation. it's simply selection pressure for tactics that are more decentralized, more direct, popular, faster, and harder to shut down.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by vmception »

> Janneke Parrish was accused of deleting files that reportedly included the apps Robinhood, Pokemon GO, and Google Drive, and by doing so, impeding an investigation.

Because what they found (most likely Gdrive) would have also gotten Janneke embarrassed, fired, and/or subject to criminal sanctions lol.

Now instead Janneke gets to make Apple look like the unilateral aggressor, at least temporarily. It was the best chess move.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by 3grdlurker »

plorg wrote: post #60
3grdlurker wrote: post #20

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Promotes isn’t requires , though. I’ve read that before as well, but the language around it has always suggested that employees can get away with having a second phone.

Depends what "promotes" means. They don't provide separate Apple accounts for employees, so among other things, if you don't link your personal account to your work phone you're either paying twice for any services or working with a hampered phone.

What do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one.

Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info, and so then the sign up fails? If it is this, couldn’t they just obscure their personal info and use a second credit card in the second account? Not a US citizen but it seems unbelievable that Apple could legally compel its employees to use their personal accounts at work.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by the_benno »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61
devwastaken wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

because it's not a zero sum game? those union busting talking points keep you focused on your less-fortunate colleagues and and not the obscenely wealthy guy screwing the both of you over.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by paganel »

lowkey_ wrote: post #8
d3nj4l wrote: post #7

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It's not immaterial, and apple is crazy for firing her for deleting Pokemon go, if that is the actual reason and she didn't delete any actual data.

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

> don't delete stuff before doing so.

I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have to obey.

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