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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by vlozko »

fenomas wrote: post #16
elliekelly wrote: post #2

I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.

Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

This is not explicitly true. They are allowed to create their an account separate from their personal one.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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fenomas wrote: post #16
elliekelly wrote: post #2

I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.

Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

nradov wrote: post #44
kashkhan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dynamics are different if the company is small or big. It's like asking a person to leave a country, instead of trying to make it better. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

Apple only has 80K employees. As countries go, that's a pretty small one.

As GDP's go, Apple is the 8th largest country on earth by market cap. I know this is a bad equivalency, but they have VASTLY outsized influence with those 80,000 employees because of the wealth they generate.

With recent moves like Walmart creating in-house health care options, and Salesforce offering to move people out of Texas because of their abortion laws, our late-stage capitalism is morphing into the cyberpunk dystopia predicted by sci-fi writers 30-40 years ago. It's starting to matter more what company you work for, rather than what country you live in.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by benjaminpv »

ianai wrote: post #21
analognoise wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

In an earlier thread about this same topic[1] someone that claimed to have gone through Apple's onboarding process explained that they were told (approximately) "Log in with an Apple ID. You can use an existing one, should you have it." So I think it's less a case that they're required to use a personal ID and more that they don't make explicit the fact that they can create & use a distinct one.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by opinion-is-bad »

ianai wrote: post #39
fenomas wrote: post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Shouldn’t you probably degoogle or deapple your online stuff before working for a competitor? I know that’s a high bar, but there’s probably a point between lowest rung worker and VP where it makes sense professionally/personally.

You’d have a revolt at Google of you tried to take away their MacBooks and iPhones.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by judge2020 »

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

It's fair to assume that every firing is done for a reason/as a result of a problem, and having evidence of the reason being immoral is important if we're going to be a responsible "court of public opinion".

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by urthor »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

The problem is that if nobody talks up, the world doesn't become a better place.

The "like we did in the old days" way of doing stuff, you watch on Mad Men, was pretty unkind to a lot of different folks.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by Talanes »

techrat wrote: post #35
analognoise wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

> We regularly BEAT on Apple. From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.

I've never seen a struck out anti-Apple comment that didn't spend the majority of the comment preemptively complaining about downvotes and disagreement.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by jollybean »

Unless company is doing something clearly illegal I think that publicly advocating against the company is not something you can do as an employee. You'd have to do that internally, however difficult.

If you want to do public things, you'd have to do it from the outside.

True whistle-blowing notwithstanding.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by plorg »

3grdlurker wrote: post #20
hanklazard wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have a reference, but I believe Apple actually promotes using the same phone for work and personal. Seems pretty useful when you want to fire someone on a technicality /s.

Promotes isn’t requires , though. I’ve read that before as well, but the language around it has always suggested that employees can get away with having a second phone.

Depends what "promotes" means. They don't provide separate Apple accounts for employees, so among other things, if you don't link your personal account to your work phone you're either paying twice for any services or working with a hampered phone.
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