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Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by qwerty456127 »

gambiting wrote: post #404
qwerty456127 wrote: post #386

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> If everybody got the damn vaccine There are many people like me who have high level of antibodies, don't really need a vaccine this way (AFAIK there already is enough evidence supporting this) and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine in history despite being passionately pro-vac when it's about other diseases and better-tested vaccines. I don't want the damn vaccine. I want the…

>>and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine But....why. Every single study shows that it's safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated so far without issues. And reading up on the method of delivery makes me very confident in having it. Just because it's the fastest developed vaccine in history(which is not true btw, but whatever, let's roll with that argument if you…

Because why should I inject something I don't really need (because I'm immune already)? Everybody around pushing me to makes me feel exactly like I shouldn't.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

bradlys wrote: post #86
malandrew wrote: post #16

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You need social hobbies on the weekend. I just wish weekends were three days so I got two days for hobbies and one day break for rest, errands and other life necessities.

Living for the weekend is an extremely draining way to live. I fucking hate it. As it stands - I live for 2-3 hours on Sundays if the weather is good because everything is closed and will be closed for another 6 fucking months. It's fucking horrific. I have to spend the rest of my week grinding away at meaningless drivel. Imagine actually spending 40+ hours/week around people and enjoying a significant amount of your…

Move to a place where things don't arbitrarily close for 6 months at a time if you don't like that?

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by gambiting »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #421
gambiting wrote: post #404

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>>and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine But....why. Every single study shows that it's safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated so far without issues. And reading up on the method of delivery makes me very confident in having it. Just because it's the fastest developed vaccine in history(which is not true btw, but whatever, let's roll with that argument if you…

Because why should I inject something I don't really need (because I'm immune already)? Everybody around pushing me to makes me feel exactly like I shouldn't.

But that's two different arguments. Either you are arguing that you don't want to get vaccinated because the vaccine has been developed quickly(in which case I'm going back to my original question - why?), or you just don't think you need it. For the latter - indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all activities.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by syshum »

wolrah wrote: post #303
baud147258 wrote: post #258

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> Because we are in the middle of a global pandemic. Really? Maybe I forgot because here in France it feels like we've kinda gone back to business as usual, as long as one can show proof of vaccination (necessary if you want to go to the restaurants, cinemas and museums).

> as long as one can show proof of vaccination (necessary if you want to go to the restaurants, cinemas and museums). This is the key point. If we had widespread implementation of similar restrictions we'd be around the same. Unfortunately here we have not just a lot of people but a lot of lawmakers, mayors, and governors who think not being able to spread a virus is an attack on their personal freedoms.

Or they recognize that Vaccination means you are protected from getting infected, and if you did get infected as a vaccinated person you have a 1:160,000 chance of hospitalization, and even lower chance of death making having a "vaccine mandate" simply a power grab with no basis in science or public health

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by qwerty456127 »

gambiting wrote: post #423
qwerty456127 wrote: post #421

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Because why should I inject something I don't really need (because I'm immune already)? Everybody around pushing me to makes me feel exactly like I shouldn't.

But that's two different arguments. Either you are arguing that you don't want to get vaccinated because the vaccine has been developed quickly(in which case I'm going back to my original question - why?), or you just don't think you need it. For the latter - indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all a…

> But that's two different arguments.

Sure, there is a number of arguments.

> indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( And this is what makes me angry as I can see even less logic in this. Why should I prove I had covid, let alone in any specific moment of time? I obviously had it because I have the antibodies. I test for the antibodies every some months and they don't decrease (for a year already). Of course I have no other proof - I just had some slightly running nose (which was even supposed to be an anti-symptom) a day a year ago, tested for antibodies about 2 month after and found out I have them. And I still have them and have been feeling great all the time except one day in spring when I had high temperature but tested negative a number of times that days and next days.

E.g. Austria doesn't require you to prove you have been sick - they just look at the actual antibodies and this seems the only logical objective measure to me.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by gambiting »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #425
gambiting wrote: post #423

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But that's two different arguments. Either you are arguing that you don't want to get vaccinated because the vaccine has been developed quickly(in which case I'm going back to my original question - why?), or you just don't think you need it. For the latter - indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( <6 months) is just as good as having been vaccinated, you can participate in all a…

> But that's two different arguments. Sure, there is a number of arguments. > indeed there are countries where proof of having been through Covid recently( And this is what makes me angry as I can see even less logic in this. Why should I prove I had covid, let alone in any specific moment of time? I obviously had it because I have the antibodies. I test for the antibodies every some months and they don't decrease (f…

>>And this is what makes me angry. Why should I prove I had covid, let alone in any specific moment of time?

Well, or a vaccine. As to why a specific moment in time - because the immunity wanes in time. I fully expect that the vaccine proof won't be accepted any more if it's older than X months either, but we simply haven't reached that step yet.

>>tested for antibodies 2 month after and found out I have them. And I still have them.

Cool, and maybe that should be proof enough that you're safe to be out in a public space or private businesses. It's sad that in some countries that's meaningless, but the vaccine is the next best thing - it's easy enough to prove that you've had it, the systems built around it are straightforward and robust.

>>E.g. Austria doesn't require you to prove you have been sick - they just look at the actual antibodies and this seems the only logical objective measure to me.

Sounds like a great plan, I can support that.

As to why should you.....well, that's a harder one to answer in a simple fashion. I think it's similar to how in order to get a visa to certain places you have to be vaccinated against yellow fever - it's not a matter of personal choice whether you want to or not, it's a hard requirement to keep everyone safe. If we lived in a reasonable society where you could expect everyone to be reasonable and safe things like covid passports wouldn't be necessary, but because we live surrounded by selfish idiots who don't care about anything past their own nose we have to have documents which prove things like vaccination status. Kids don't get admitted to preschool without all their vaccinations for a reason too. Sorry if the comparisons are a little bit on the nose, but I do think that at least right now this is a necessary step. Maybe in a year or two this will change and we'll treat it like the flu vaccine - if you want it then have it.

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Post by baud147258 »

krageon wrote: post #399
baud147258 wrote: post #371

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well, considering how the pandemic went, a fire in a village is way more likely to directly impact you, compared to the covid directly impacting you. And it's not as if getting vaccinated prevented you from catching and transmitting the virus

At the height of it I could not kick a rock without hitting someone that had a family member die of COVID. I live in a country with reasonably good healthcare and I would say perfectly acceptable capacity (and I don't interact with a lot of pray-the-sick-away types), so I'm quite curious where you are located that you make such claims.

In France. I can count on one hand the people I know who caught covid and none of them had any serious after effects.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

irrational wrote: post #360
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #347

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Point of clarification, because you're spreading misinformation: being opposed to one specific vaccine type is NOT the same as being an "anti-vaxxer." It will behoove you to be clear on that point.

That is exactly what everyone means by anti-vaxxer right now. If you are opposed to the covid vaccine, you are an anti-vaxxer.

"Everyone is doing it" has always been - and will always be - a terrible reason to do anything.

"anti-vaxxer" is too broad of a term. That's like saying anyone who doesn't want to buy a Ford is "anti-car." They're not anti-car, they just don't want a Ford.

Almost all the people you call "anti-vaxxers", in fact very much believe vaccines are modern miracles that have reduced or eradicated serious illnesses. Many of them get a flu shot every single year. That's not the behavior of an "anti-vaxxer." "anti-vaxxer" is inaccurate at best, and intentionally derogatory at worst.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by The_Beta »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #98

The biggest problem with working from home, especially as it exists in the last 18 months, is that it ruins the entire work/life separation thing. For a long time, large companies like Google and Facebook bribed employees to basically live at work with an influx of perks. Free laundry. Nap rooms. Catered meals. The whole point is for you to never leave so you’ll work more. I think most of us can agree that is unhealt…

some people (like me) don't have separation of work/life balance. I get emails 24 hours a day. Markets move every second from sunday evening until friday afternoon. I'm constantly on my phone or in front of my computer.

So I would rather do this while sitting in comfortable sweatpants at home rather than wasting 3 hours getting dressed, commuting, etc. to do the exact same thing I would be doing anyway. Plus I get to eat healthier food, save money on food, clean my place more, spend time with family more, go workout when there's a lull in the markets, etc.

So while for some work/life balance is better with a separation, for me and many others, work/life balance is drastically improved by not going into the office

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Post by IggleSniggle »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #419
ericmay wrote: post #401

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No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? Doubt it. You’ll make up another excuse then instead. And let’s not pretend you are any more informed about this vaccine than you are any other “highly tested” one. You have no scientific or educated reasoning here…

> No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that. And I have no rational reason to, except artificial reasons created by most of governments. > The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? My immune system seems doing great job defending me from all the mutations which already took place. So I don't want t…

> I trust my immune system more than I trust whatever the vaccine does

Uhh…this is what a vaccine does. It shows your immune system what a disease looks like, lets it do it’s thing to discover a solution…so that it has a hashmap to a solution ready to go rather than than needing to iterate over the entire database and apply iterative mutations to the best solutions in order to find a successful match.

What in the world do you think a vaccine is? It’s letting your immune system do it’s thing. It’s trusting your immune system to know what to do!

What in the world do you think a vaccine is? Vaccine-based immunity is natural immunity.

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