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Post by coldacid »

ignoranceprior wrote: post #155
reaperducer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Right now. There's a current multi-season show about the Axis winning WWII on Amazon Prime. From what I've read, it's pretty successful.

The USSR was not part of the Axis. Quite the opposite. (Although they did have a non-aggression pact with Germany before the start of the war, that did not last long.) Which just goes to show that many Americans aren't really aware of how the Soviets were crucial to winning that war.

It lasted long enough to split Poland up between the two of them.

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Post by Ericson2314 »

beaunative wrote: post #134
Ericson2314 wrote: post #54

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> From the US perspective, why would they go out of their way to call Taiwan its own country when neither government, on either side of the Strait, was interested in that? :) I feel like this the same sort of thinking as tech debt. Names? Who cares! Everyone knows what the situation is on the ground. In my view, norms have to be actively upheld, even especially if you are on "Team 'rule of law'". If the thing is a st…

Taiwan is actually an state, but China don't recognize it the way we didn't recognize the IS. Of course, Taiwan is in much better situation than the IS, but the underlying logic is the same. A state government don't recognize other states just because they are a state.

The PRC is shrewed in its policy of non-acknowledgement, and we were careless in ours. It is better to acknowledge your allies with names that piss them off, than not acknowledge them with names they like.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #143
dan-robertson wrote: post #108

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The theory is probably that the characters must be relatable and therefore American. Films about British actions in the war often have random American characters thrown in too. (I’m not sure that is unrealistic though) Perhaps another thing is that when the memory of the war was still fresh and people (at least in eg France) generally knew that the USSR had a big impact, McCarthyism was also at its height and there w…

In U-571 History was entirely rewritten as to suggest that it were U.S.A. soldiers, who captured the first German Enigma , whereas in actuality it were English soldiers that did so.

Wow if that’s really the case then that is pretty blatant.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by coldacid »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #60
viktorcode wrote: post #23

Nobody seems to notice that it should not matter at all how accurate exactly the information Wikimedia contains, because it has no relation to the role they can fulfil at WIPO. China blocks the application, citing irrelevant info. Then other countries dismiss those irrelevant accusations as false. It seems the future of WIPO is to become irrelevant UN body.

They will be joining a long list of irrelevant UN bodies...

Such as the United Nations.

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Post by jonathankoren »

ignoranceprior wrote: post #155
reaperducer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Right now. There's a current multi-season show about the Axis winning WWII on Amazon Prime. From what I've read, it's pretty successful.

The USSR was not part of the Axis. Quite the opposite. (Although they did have a non-aggression pact with Germany before the start of the war, that did not last long.) Which just goes to show that many Americans aren't really aware of how the Soviets were crucial to winning that war.

It is true to that they joined the Allies, and the Eastern Front was very important to defeat of Nazi Germany, but let’s be honest when the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ended: after Stalin and Hitler coordinated a joint invasion of Poland.

To act like the Soviet Union was Ireland or Switzerland at the start of the war, is disingenuous. Stalin and Hitler made a secret plan to carve out an Eastern European sphere of influence, not unlike the Japanese sphere of influence in East Asia.

The irony of course is that Stalin still got his sphere influence, albeit through the Treaty of Yalta.

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Post by zeckalpha »

epgui wrote: post #139
musicale wrote: post #112

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There's a difference between being anti-CCP and anti-China.

Whether we like it or not, the CCP is an integral part of today's China, both the good and the bad.

Not in Taiwan!

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by jturpin »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Hollywood is highly critical of the USA. Pretty much every sentiment in a post 90's war movie is "The US also did some bad stuff that we should feel ashamed about."

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Post by cyberrock »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #99
CamperBob2 wrote: post #70

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Enemy at the Gates is pretty good.

The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Enemy at the Gates was just a sniper duel movie (a good one, though).

Are there that many Battle of Berlin movies to begin with? From the Soviet/Russian perspective I could only find The Fall of Berlin (1950), Liberation (1970-1971), and a documentary Shturm Berlina/Штурм Берлина (2015). Battle of Berlin probably isn't very good movie material, unlike Stalingrad or other parts of the Eastern Front, which have a lot more movies.

Furthermore, I've read [2] that historiography on the Eastern Front was quite poor, even from the Soviet perspective, until Stalin's death. From [2], page 12: > Soviet military works written before 1958 were highly politicized and focused heavily on the positive role of Stalin in every aspect of war. Correspondingly, operational and tactical detail was lacking.

Though Cold War politics did play a role.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_the_Battl... [2] PDF WARNING: https://community.apan.org/cfs-file/__key/docpreview-s/00-00...

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by sigstoat »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2?

...almost all of them? the USSR was one of the Allies. who won WW2. so every WW2 movie which doesn't engage in some sort of alt-history has the USSR winning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender

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