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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by wolverine876 »

Fricken wrote: post #122
guywhocodes wrote: post #120

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Yeah I don't know how we could possibly validate that. It's similar to, but not the same as, measuring this in North Korea.

You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

The Chinese people who do have free speech, in Taiwan, and did, in Hong Kong, certainly don't/didn't like the CCP much. Perhaps that's why the CCP felt the need to shut down freedom in Hong Kong - too much criticism.

If the CCP is so popular, why not have free speech and elections?

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Post by Fricken »

jhedwards wrote: post #140
Fricken wrote: post #113

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No difference really. Domestic approval ratings for the CCP are through the roof. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/913650298/as-u-s-views-of-chi...

While I wouldn't rule out that this is true, it's difficult to trust numbers like that in China since people are so afraid to voice their true opinion. When I lived in China I learned that it was a basic rule of society that you do not express opinions about the government with anyone except for your closest friends, and even then it is extremely rare. It's no surprise that this is the case given historical events su…

My experience is that they don't really think about it that hard because they don't have to. They've also seen their lives improve dramatically over the past 1.5 generations.

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

dan-robertson wrote: post #108
whatshisface wrote: post #103

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It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

The theory is probably that the characters must be relatable and therefore American. Films about British actions in the war often have random American characters thrown in too. (I’m not sure that is unrealistic though) Perhaps another thing is that when the memory of the war was still fresh and people (at least in eg France) generally knew that the USSR had a big impact, McCarthyism was also at its height and there w…

In U-571 History was entirely rewritten as to suggest that it were U.S.A. soldiers, who captured the first German Enigma, whereas in actuality it were English soldiers that did so.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by wolverine876 »

tuberelay wrote: post #4

China corrupts any global organization it touches.

> China corrupts any global organization it touches.

International inter-governmental organizations have always had members like China. That is the environment they are built for and function in, like the current, waves, and wind for a ship at sea.

The U.S.'s reputation isn't so hot, throwing it's weight around and under Trump and to a lesser degree, GW Bush, actively trying to undermine those organizations. Even the international postal organization was a target.

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Post by wolverine876 »

jollybean wrote: post #124

Tibet used to be the pet project of Hollywood and US mainstream media, until they were told to shut up about it. See Google trends [1] This is a very real influence and it's pervasive due to the fat one side speaks with one, directed voice, the other there's no coordination at all: leaders of nations, provinces, universities, corporations, NGOs, uncoordinated. [1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo…

There's a NY Times article about the head of Disney going to China to personally apologize for a Tibet movie.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

rsj_hn wrote: post #118
boomboomsubban wrote: post #101

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>To call this a "US invasion" is absurd A US invasion to prop up the Rhee government that massacred leftists is the only reason there isn't a unified Korea under North Korean rule. You can argue that's a good thing, but trying to claim the US did not invade is absurd. And on the fascist bogeyman parts, any improvement in those areas happened in South Korea and Taiwan rather recently, in the past thirty years or so.

The treatment of communist guerillas by the South Korean government was substantially more humane (and far less bloody) than the treatment of civil society by the military junta ruling North Korea up to and including the leadership of Kim Tu-bong, who was himself dissapeared by Kim Il Sung in 1949. The problem here is that the hard-left stalinist policies that were widespread in the 30s-50s (and imitated by Mao) requ…

I've never heard of pre Korean war North Korea massacring tens of thousands of civilians like South Korea in the Jeju uprising, though obviously after the war human rights was often terrible. It's certainly possible it happened, but it doesn't change that the US assisted Rhee in killing leftists and then propped up his government for decades.

>who was himself dissapeared by Kim Il Sung in 1949.

1957, supposedly for being part of a China and Soviet backed coup attempt.

>but trying to claim that the US "invaded" South Korea with 300 troops is absurd.

I'm not making that claim, the US had over 400,000 troops invade North Korea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#UN_forces_invade_No...

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Post by Glyptodon »

epgui wrote: post #136
Glyptodon wrote: post #127

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Does it really matter if they get anything right when they committing genocide against the Uighurs, ignoring their treaty obligations, and trying to make the whole world follow their lead in censorship and undermining any aspirations to an impartiality before and equality under the law? It's plain "whataboutism" not any different than folks being impressed with Nazi Germany before WWII. Which isn't to say that the "w…

Yes, it matters. Goods and wrongs don't cancel out, but they both matter. It's funny you mention whataboutism, because that's what I was about to mention too. This really goes to my main point: it's important to be able to levy criticism and to NOT give anyone a free pass, but many of the comments in here seem to be implicitly (and arguably, erroneously) splitting world actors into "good" and "evil". Hence the "us vs…

Unfortunately there are things that are beyond permissible in this world - the holocaust was supposed to be never again.

Trying to say "oh, but the west has problems too" when there aren't any comparable attempts at large-scale genocide ongoing is crazy. Not because the west doesn't have problems. Or because the west is somehow angelic. But because it's like comparing a nuke to a house fire. And some things really are evil in a whole different way.

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Post by wolverine876 »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #17
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #9

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Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... You are welcome. Edit: Parent comment edited. See that.

Given that the OP was has been flagged into oblivion, I can only guess they were talking about parallelism between the Cultural Revolution in China and the cultural revolution happening right now in the USA and spilling all over several Western countries. One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. This hasn't…

> cultural revolution happening right now in the USA

The OP was attacking the left, but they have no political power. The cultural revolution is the reactionary, populist right-wing one - they recently ran the White House, they control a major political party, and they run many states, such as Texas and Florida.

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Post by echelon »

perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

Actors and musicians have to play it safe not to offend the CCP.

How long will it be before the same is true of American business leaders?

Will talking bad about the CCP prevent you from raising a round and having your company be funded?

Will talking bad about the CCP get you fired, if you're an employee?

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