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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by boomboomsubban »

rsj_hn wrote: post #82
pessimizer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have North and South Korea because of a US invasion, the massacre of tens of thousands of people in the South with any sort of left/social-liberal sympathies, and a fully fascist government propped up by the US that lasted until the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilminism It's nothing to respect. The US is something to respect, because it's got a lot more economic and military power than poor backwards NK. Thr…

> We have North and South Korea because of a US invasion No, this is demonstrably false. Korea was annexed by Japan in 1910. After the war, Korea was partitioned -- much like Europe -- with North Korea occupied by the Soviet Union and South Korea occupied by the US along the 38th parallel in 1945. Except the nature of the respective military presence was very different. The Soviet Union and China brought in large qua…

>To call this a "US invasion" is absurd

A US invasion to prop up the Rhee government that massacred leftists is the only reason there isn't a unified Korea under North Korean rule. You can argue that's a good thing, but trying to claim the US did not invade is absurd.

And on the fascist bogeyman parts, any improvement in those areas happened in South Korea and Taiwan rather recently, in the past thirty years or so.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by type0 »

pessimizer wrote: post #74
rsj_hn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have North and South Korea when the communist revolution succeeded in the north but not the South. In the U.S., West Virginia split off from Virginia when most of Virginia joined the confederacy but a part didn't. Civil Wars, partial rebellions, partial revolutions, are one the mechanisms of state formation.

We have North and South Korea because of a US invasion, the massacre of tens of thousands of people in the South with any sort of left/social-liberal sympathies, and a fully fascist government propped up by the US that lasted until the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilminism It's nothing to respect. The US is something to respect, because it's got a lot more economic and military power than poor backwards NK. Thr…

> It was under martial law for 40 years. The nicest thing I hear people say about Taiwan is that it's

The nicest thing I can say about Taiwan an White Terror is that it gave us this horror game called Detention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_(video_game)

Now it's even made it into a movie https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/detention-movie-review-20...

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#103

Post by whatshisface »

pedrosorio wrote: post #68
satao wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Any Russian movies about the US winning the WW2? Naturally each country tells their own narrative. This seems like a silly point to make.

It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#104

Post by epgui »

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.)

This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China.

However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China.

I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americans/Westerners are capable of appreciating the things that China gets right, or does right. I wonder if Americans/Westerners are capable of acknowledging the things that their countries get wrong, or do wrong. I wonder if we here in the West are as fair and balanced as we tend to think.

This isn't merely an academic question, I think it goes to the core of the state of mind that is required to view situations objectively (regardless of whether we might be right or wrong in any specific context).

In this case, I'm totally on Wikimedia's side. But I feel like we in the West are standing right on the slippery slope of nationalism.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#105

Post by bmicraft »

whatshisface wrote: post #103
pedrosorio wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Any Russian movies about the US winning the WW2? Naturally each country tells their own narrative. This seems like a silly point to make.

It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

Hollywood gets to borrow millions in us army equipment for free if the producer runs the script by them first. Part of the deal is that the us army always have to be the good guys and not have any internal problems related to things like sexism homophobia or anything else

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by whatshisface »

bmicraft wrote: post #105
whatshisface wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

Hollywood gets to borrow millions in us army equipment for free if the producer runs the script by them first. Part of the deal is that the us army always have to be the good guys and not have any internal problems related to things like sexism homophobia or anything else

That only explains it when the movie involves borrowed equipment.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#107

Post by tim333 »

perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

>Soft propaganda is going to rewrite how the world perceives the sinosphere

There may be a bit of a Streisand effect going on. It's hard to avoid hearing about the Chinese communist party giving Taiwan a hard time when they are trying to censor every organisation around the world pretty much.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by dan-robertson »

whatshisface wrote: post #103
pedrosorio wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Any Russian movies about the US winning the WW2? Naturally each country tells their own narrative. This seems like a silly point to make.

It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

The theory is probably that the characters must be relatable and therefore American. Films about British actions in the war often have random American characters thrown in too. (I’m not sure that is unrealistic though)

Perhaps another thing is that when the memory of the war was still fresh and people (at least in eg France) generally knew that the USSR had a big impact, McCarthyism was also at its height and there were strong reasons not to show communists in a good light. And then maybe later films mostly copied the trend.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by spywaregorilla »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Sure, here's one from this year:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4761112/?ref_=kw_li_tt

And here's the list

https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=guantanamo-bay

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#110

Post by lotsofpulp »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #99
CamperBob2 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enemy at the Gates is pretty good.

The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Enemy at the Gates was just a sniper duel movie (a good one, though).

Is the claim here that the US has organizations that actively work to prevent a movie showing Russians winning WW2?

It is easier for me to believe that a movie specifically about the Russians winning WW2 simply would not get financed due to low probability of earning a decent ROI due to American/English audiences not wanting to pay to watch it.

I was also taught in US history AP class in high school that a significant, if not necessary, element of winning WW2 was the Russians tying up the Germans on the eastern front, and it was stressed that the Russians suffered the most casualties by far.

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