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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…

This is an exciting project - I’ll definitely follow it closely. Do you have any plans in particular to make it especially useful to developers? It would be amazing to have a lightweight browser that’s easy on the battery like safari but with excellent dev tools.

Noticing your name - are you a free diver? If so what are your favourite dive locations?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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It's a good idea to move to a cross-platform password manager, so that your passwords don't result in OS vendor lock-in. I still run macOS on desktop but use a patched bitwarden_rs to store my passwords. I can also use it from Android and Linux.

Yeah horses for courses I guess. I always try to use the cross-platform solution whenever I can but not everyone seems to care about that and are seemingly fine about being locked in.

I don't know if this is still true, but when I last used the native solution for saving cards and it always asked for the three digit code in the back of the card, which made it useless for convenience. I still had to look for my wallet.

1password and LastPass are smarter in that regard.

The third party solutions are much better regarding edge cases.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…

This is an exciting project - I’ll definitely follow it closely. Do you have any plans in particular to make it especially useful to developers? It would be amazing to have a lightweight browser that’s easy on the battery like safari but with excellent dev tools. Noticing your name - are you a free diver? If so what are your favourite dive locations?

> "Orion features developer tools from Safari with a few extra ones... We just started with this, expect many useful additions in the future."

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Congrats for the project! Love the simple UI and extensions support. Don't you fear being held back by WebKit, which is notoriously slow to implement new web platform features? Can you give some insights on how you chose the engine? Thanks!

Thank you! To answer the question, we need to go a step back and answer how did we chose the platform first. The decision to go with macOS first was made in 2018 for the simple reason that we thought macOS has a bright future as a consumer OS. This was pre-M1 so we are glad to see macOS adoption grow! Once we settled on macOS, WebKit was a natural choice as it is the web rendering engine supported by the OS manufactu…

WebKit has AVIF support no? I thought it was Safari specific, because it uses OS level image rendering?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Thank you! To answer the question, we need to go a step back and answer how did we chose the platform first. The decision to go with macOS first was made in 2018 for the simple reason that we thought macOS has a bright future as a consumer OS. This was pre-M1 so we are glad to see macOS adoption grow! Once we settled on macOS, WebKit was a natural choice as it is the web rendering engine supported by the OS manufactu…

WebKit has AVIF support no? I thought it was Safari specific, because it uses OS level image rendering?

Yes correct, I meant WebKit on macOS, which is waiting for OS level support although WebKit level support already exists.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…

This is an exciting project - I’ll definitely follow it closely. Do you have any plans in particular to make it especially useful to developers? It would be amazing to have a lightweight browser that’s easy on the battery like safari but with excellent dev tools. Noticing your name - are you a free diver? If so what are your favourite dive locations?

We plan to integrate Design tools as well as Responsive modes found in some niche browsers. Orion (and Safari) actually have the ability to offer best iPhone emulation for desktop developers since they use the same rendering engine.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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The one thing that is lacking from Safari is extensions. If this does what I believe then it will be my main browser. Safari adblocking sucks atm.

I use Wipr for Mac and it blocks all ads I've seen in Safari, including YouTube ads

Just checked the recent reviews and they all say doesn't block YT ads. Is the special setting needed?
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