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They are heartless. What's baffling is what they gain from being so firmly against basic displays of outreach and acceptance between humans and groups of humans.
This type of bookending is why Coinbase made this decision. What data do you have that indicates they are heartless?
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#382The thing I hate about this line of thinking is the supposed "distractions" of being mission-focused are nearly all related simply to basic rights/dignities for marginalized groups. I don't think anyone is saying companies need to take a strong stance on every political issue, but merely saying "we as a company believe the lives of our Black employees matter" or "we as a company welcome and accept our LGBTQ+ employee…
You say you’re baffled but conclude the people you are baffled by are heartless. You’re not baffled: you have made up your mind.
> I now try to avoid using the English idiom "I just don't understand how..." to express indignation. If I genuinely don't understand how, then my model is being surprised by the facts, and I should discard it and find a better model.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tWLFWAndSZSYN6rPB/think-like...
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That's one possibility. Sure. The fact that you feel comfortable stating it and implicitly dismissing the very real concerns of marginalized peoples is both part of the problem and ironic evidence that for some people it's not only useless to complain, it's actively counterproductive and will draw attacks against them.
I’m all for addressing concerns. But how is anyone supposed to address a concern like “there are vague imperceptible threats to my existence all around me which I can neither articulate nor provide evidence of”? What, exactly, are you proposing Coinbase or any or company should do, specifically?
> I’m all for addressing concerns. But how is anyone supposed to address a concern like “there are vague imperceptible threats to my existence all around me which I can neither articulate nor provide evidence of”? What, exactly, are you proposing Coinbase or any or company should do, specifically?
That's the whole idea behind "microaggressions", anything can be deemed a threat, it only depends on the alleged victim's perception, it's cunning, like every 'intersectional', it's full of sophism, doublespeak, newspeak, absurdity yet a lot of FAANG adopted this framework without thinking. Well now they have to deal with activist employees who are there just to betray or embarrass their very employer and harass other employees into ideological submission.
Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company
#384In the perfect world people would just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and went on their merry way if they didn't agree with Coinbase. The reason why there is so much vitriol in the comments here is that to some people there is nothing more scary than a prospect of companies realising that doing social activism can be really TERRIBLE to their bottom line and it IS POSSIBLE to have a nice, friendly, healthy company without going full woke.
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Sounds like their policy of discouraging wokes, who want to use their job as a cudgel for their own political views, from applying to their company is working.
What do you know about OP? What if OP is an extremely productive programmer who lives to build product and has a huge impact, but also cares about black people or LGBTQ+ people? So he's worthless to coinbase? Thats insane.
> What if OP is an extremely productive programmer who lives to build product and has a huge impact,
Thankfully there are dozens of thousands of people as capable who do not intent to discuss social justice on the clock.
Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company
#386The thing I hate about this line of thinking is the supposed "distractions" of being mission-focused are nearly all related simply to basic rights/dignities for marginalized groups. I don't think anyone is saying companies need to take a strong stance on every political issue, but merely saying "we as a company believe the lives of our Black employees matter" or "we as a company welcome and accept our LGBTQ+ employee…
'Acknowledging discrimination in our industry is distracting, so to stop being distracted I'm going to focus on writing on how un-distracted we are because we're _mission focused._ I'm going to do this several times.'
I can't be the only person feeling a sense of irony, here. A big argument you see a lot is that people who raise concerns around equitable treatment only do it for clout, the ever popular 'virtue signaling' phrase. Is this not, to some extent or another, similar behavior but for a different audience?
Virtual signal* for thee but not for me? Is this something we've discussed yet?
* I've never been a fan of this term, anyway. Even if someone were 100%, consciously and purposefully 'virtue signaling', it has little baring on the validity of their argument.
Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company
#387The amount of frothing vitriol in this thread makes it clear that Armstrong made the correct choice. Public discourse in the Bay Area has become completely toxic.
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Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company
#388The thing I hate about this line of thinking is the supposed "distractions" of being mission-focused are nearly all related simply to basic rights/dignities for marginalized groups. I don't think anyone is saying companies need to take a strong stance on every political issue, but merely saying "we as a company believe the lives of our Black employees matter" or "we as a company welcome and accept our LGBTQ+ employee…
Perfect. There are many companies that want to do these performative acts.
I like to work with companies and buy from companies that don’t make these statements but also don’t use slave labour to make their products. (Nike)
You can have your values and I can have mine.
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“Anyone who doesn't fully and unambiguously support…” Please, stop right there. If you find yourself in this line of thinking, consider for a moment that you’re being a zealot.
Given that the next few words were "...the right of Black people to not be killed randomly" I do not consider that being a zealot, but just a normal person.
That's because "the right of black people to not be killed randomly" is the motte, and supporting the movement Black Lives Matters and all that it stands for is the bailey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy. I'll add that people "randomly killing black people" are mostly killed by black people https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-....
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As a European living and working in the US: your comparison is very shortsighted. European countries literally have no legal concept of at-will employment. They have strong social nets that make quitting your job much easier, and more prevalent unions that fight to improve working conditions (all of these things are, gasp, political! incidentally) By comparison employment in the US is messed up enough that if you lea…
You make at least three times as much as people in Europe, while the cost of living isn't three times higher. You can save this money in case something bad happens. If you're a minimum wage worker that's a different story. But we're talking about software engineers here. A standing desk and wrist exercises solve most of your possible work-related injuries.
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