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Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

Jensson wrote: post #359
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m assuming that because there are laws in several places in the country about whether or not trans people can use certain bathrooms, so I’m assuming it’s a political thing.

Yeah, so in those parts you will use the bathrooms you are allowed to use. I'm not sure what is unclear here?

I think my assumptions are different than you. I’ve met people, co workers, who have told me that a trans person asking to be described as a new name is political, and forcing the co worker to call them by a new name is forcing politics in the workplace. This is my understanding of what an apolitical workplace means. Am I wrong? I’ve generally avoided workplaces that claim to be apolitical explicitly because the people I know who claim to be apolitical actually claim that they’d never respect a trans persons new name, because that’s bringing politics into the workplace.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by 93po »

poszlem wrote: post #317
Jensson wrote: post #312

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The woke biggest fear is that people realize that only about 5-10% are woke so you can ignore them without much consequences no matter how much of a fuzz they make on twitter. They try to make a fuzz here at HN as well but just like the real world they aren't the majority here either.

This is quite disturbing, see all those accounts created 30 minutes ago: - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fancifulfiend - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=workersrights - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=tesselator I wonder what's going on with HN moderation.

I've seen activity that convinces me there's plenty of astroturfing happening on HN. Not nearly the scale as Reddit etc but it's there

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by Aicy »

notafraudster wrote: post #247
emsy wrote: post #44

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At least they would be rowing, but political activism is not work. Imagine going to the barber and instead of cutting your hair he would lecture you on the hardship of Guatemalan shepherds.

Barbers famously talk about politics while cutting your hair. This is like a quintessential part of barber shop culture. Barbers that don't talk about partisan politics normally talk about some parapolitical thing, like cultural gripes, or sports, or other things that have a pretty similar valence. I've had my hair cut in like 5 different countries by dozens of different barbers who speak different languages, come fr…

Still not the same thing as lecturing you on politics INSTEAD of cutting your hair.

Your reply is a classic example of HN taking an analogy too far / too literally and removing it from the original argument being made.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by Zababa »

slownews45 wrote: post #116
fleddr wrote: post #71

Just want to say how ridiculous this is from a European perspective. I know nothing better than for any company to be mission focused. You go to work to do work. And you do so with a degree of neutrality, as you can't pick your colleagues, yet still need to cooperate with them. This doesn't mean you can't say anything at all, it means you shouldn't be overly divisive or confrontational. A company isn't your personal…

I used to work with kids in an international program. I had a hard "mission focused" rule. Most of the social justice type advocacy talk about political topics would be banned under this rule (along with a lot of other stuff about back home like what they owned etc). Kids whose parents would have hated each other getting along well, making friendships, etc. In the long run, seeing this humanity in each other (I think…

Thank you for sharing that. It's nice to see examples of what we can do when we focus on what unites us, vs what divides us.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by Jensson »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #362
Jensson wrote: post #343

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> What do you do in an apolitical workplace and you’re going to engage in controversial medical intervention to align your body with your believed gender? You just do it? In an apolitical workspace that isn't a political act, what you do in your free time is up to you. And if you change your legal name people should update how they call you. Nothing of that is political. If people make a fuzz they are dragging politi…

That’s what I don’t understand, because my understanding is that being conservative or progressive when it comes to trans people is no middle ground. Choosing to go with a trans persons new name and pronouns when they are early or mid transition is a political choice. There are laws passed explicitly around their bathrooms for example.

> Choosing to go with a trans persons new name and pronouns when they are early or mid transition is a political choice

No, it is just a kind gesture. It is like people not telling an overweight person they are fat, it is the normal thing to do. And if you go around calling people fat then in any healthy workplace they will call you in for a talk and tell you to stop being so rude.

The problem here is that you make this about politics and not about just common decency. If it is about politics then it makes sense for conservatives to reject your wish, you wont change them from being conservatives. But if you make it about common decency instead then they almost surely comply since most people are nice. Maybe not the first time you ask but after a few times almost everyone will, because they will see themselves as assholes if they don't.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by shapefrog »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #268
gwelson wrote: post #252

The thing I hate about this line of thinking is the supposed "distractions" of being mission-focused are nearly all related simply to basic rights/dignities for marginalized groups. I don't think anyone is saying companies need to take a strong stance on every political issue, but merely saying "we as a company believe the lives of our Black employees matter" or "we as a company welcome and accept our LGBTQ+ employee…

All of these statements are like when people comment their condolences or congratulations on social media. Yeah, it’s just a gesture, but the gesture is appreciated. And like a condolence, I don’t think it’s weird if a company doesn’t say anything, but I would find it weird if a person was really proud of how they didn’t give condolences or congratulations.

> I would find it weird if a person was really proud of how they didn’t give condolences or congratulations

I am proud I have never written RIP Celebrity on twitter when a celebrity died or sent my congratulations to a Kardashian on the occasion of the brith of their child. When I have offered condolences or congratulations it has been exclusively in person or in a non public broadcast message.

I guess that makes me weird, but personally I find posting that sort of shit on social media decidedly odd.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by jimbob45 »

Zababa wrote: post #324
poszlem wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is quite disturbing, see all those accounts created 30 minutes ago: - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=fancifulfiend - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=workersrights - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=tesselator I wonder what's going on with HN moderation.

> I wonder what's going on with HN moderation. The front line is automatic software. Then there's us with stuff like flagging and downvoting. The rest is handled by a small team.

It’s just one dude now, right? I thought sctb or whatever his name was dipped.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by Jensson »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #371
Jensson wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so in those parts you will use the bathrooms you are allowed to use. I'm not sure what is unclear here?

I think my assumptions are different than you. I’ve met people, co workers, who have told me that a trans person asking to be described as a new name is political, and forcing the co worker to call them by a new name is forcing politics in the workplace. This is my understanding of what an apolitical workplace means. Am I wrong? I’ve generally avoided workplaces that claim to be apolitical explicitly because the peop…

Then your problem isn't with apolitical workplaces, but with conservative workplaces.

Also, a few people saying that trans stuff is political doesn't mean that those views are the general consensus or that apolitical workplaces works with that. I haven't seen that and almost everywhere I've been doesn't really do politics at work. Trans people are just people etc, nobody cares.

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Post by Zababa »

jimbob45 wrote: post #377
Zababa wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder what's going on with HN moderation. The front line is automatic software. Then there's us with stuff like flagging and downvoting. The rest is handled by a small team.

It’s just one dude now, right? I thought sctb or whatever his name was dipped.

I mostly know/see dang.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Post by Aicy »

zaroth wrote: post #368
gwelson wrote: post #252

The thing I hate about this line of thinking is the supposed "distractions" of being mission-focused are nearly all related simply to basic rights/dignities for marginalized groups. I don't think anyone is saying companies need to take a strong stance on every political issue, but merely saying "we as a company believe the lives of our Black employees matter" or "we as a company welcome and accept our LGBTQ+ employee…

“Anyone who doesn't fully and unambiguously support…” Please, stop right there. If you find yourself in this line of thinking, consider for a moment that you’re being a zealot.

Given that the next few words were "...the right of Black people to not be killed randomly" I do not consider that being a zealot, but just a normal person.
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