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Post by Ancapistani »

taf2 wrote: post #326
jimkleiber wrote: post #183

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I really appreciate this point. I often see it as written rules (laws) and unwritten rules (ethics). If something breaks the unwritten rules we have about how people are supposed to interact with each other, then we often codify that rule into law. Many people will say "I didn't break the law" but where many people would say that person did break an unwritten law. > There should be no question, that what FB is doing…

My Mom said it to me with simpler terms when i was little... "we only have laws because of the assholes"

Which assholes? The ones that passed them, or the ones that did something stupid to prompt them?

(I like this statement!)

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Post by colinmhayes »

parineum wrote: post #139
asdff wrote: post #115

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Treat addictive social media companies like addictive cigarette companies. Lets see some huge warning labels about how mentally harmful it is to continue scrolling on facebook right on the first result where its unavoidable to see. Lets tax the hell out of social media companies to generate local revenue just like sin taxes. It won't be a huge change but it will be a great starting point and will come with revenue th…

> sin taxes How about we don't let the state decide what I get to do with my body (and mind)?

When your choices make everyone else worse off it absolutely is. Facebook usage is harmful to society.

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Post by freetinker »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #314
cutemonster wrote: post #267

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It's a misleading comparison. From what I read, trafficking / sex slavery was (is) happening via some places on FB, the company knew about it, did nothing. For example. Edit: the article from this HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28741532 , search for "traffickers" and "drug cartels". /Edit. Understaffed moderation teams, although FB had lots of money

I know that somebody is raping someone in NYC right now and somebody will be killed in Chicago by the end of the day today. Should we ban the cities or at least force them to spend all their budget on security? Or set up curfew for citizens? May be public hanging a la Taliban - those definitely reduce crime. Humans are using FB and where you have humans they commit crimes. Trying to eradicate all crime when you have…

But because we know humans rape and kill, we take measures to create circumstances that reduce the probability of such things happening.

Such as well-lit streets or gun control laws.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

vpfaulkner wrote: post #302
hunterb123 wrote: post #93

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To clarify, can you specify exactly what law you would like made? What do you want to be done exactly ? I would rather take the stance of feed algorithms and moderation logs be PUBLICLY available. Transparency instead of censorship.

A lot of these issues seem difficult to regulate but one that seems more realistic is usage by minors. What if social media platforms required all minors to have their account associated with a parent account? The parent could monitor activity, institute time limits, etc.

Minors don't use FB much anyway. It's more tik-tok now. And of course no minor would use an app monitored by her parents, she will immediately switch to another app.

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Post by lrem »

siruncledrew wrote: post #119

I don't care about Facebook, and am not interested in using it, but after reading the spiral of consequences Facebook has been in, it made me think: 1. To all the governments that want to tighten more control on communication, this is great kindling to show people "we the government should further control tech for your own good". 2. You can hardly get the US gov to agree on anything, but when it's about hating each o…

> 3. Facebook is so ill-equipped to handle most of the issues that were brought forth. The expectation that the gov/people places on Facebook =/= reality of what Facebook can deliver. Facebook is running around frantically trying to manage an existing mess of a switchboard, they are not going to pull a miracle.

Do we expect a miracle? Frankly, a modicum of decency would be a huge step forward...

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Post by mLuby »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #212
hunterb123 wrote: post #93

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To clarify, can you specify exactly what law you would like made? What do you want to be done exactly ? I would rather take the stance of feed algorithms and moderation logs be PUBLICLY available. Transparency instead of censorship.

>> To clarify, can you specify exactly what law you would like made? What do you want to be done exactly? Honestly, social media issues are for the most part a parenting issue. If you don't have access to your kids phone, or know what platforms they are on and who they are talking to and what they're sharing, I'm not sure legislating social media is going to do much of anything. New platforms will pop up, more privat…

> You start to put some teeth into laws where people are facing serious consequences for bullying and pushing people to suicide

Counterpoint: kids aren't all neurologically and socially developed enough to understand life-altering consequences for certain actions, and that's not their fault. Legal codes and law enforcement are too crude in most child-related cases, unless you're okay with incarcerating misbehaving children.

It's on adults to make sure things kids can reach are reasonably safe for—as well as from—them.

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Post by sentinel »

AlexandrB wrote: post #354
an-allen wrote: post #323

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Chemical Addiction != scrolling facebook

Maybe gambling is a better analog. Last time I checked gambling was pretty tightly regulated.

Not a better analog at all.

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Post by hatenberg »

farcebook wrote: post #191
ozzythecat wrote: post #141

I don’t personally use FB and don’t have a very favorable view of their products. I would, however, like to see the same level scrutiny applied to the general American media, especially the news media. FB has come in and started eating their lunch. There’s a deeper problem here, and it feels more like the powers that he want to take down FB. I’m not denying any allegation made against FB, but why is it that Fox News,…

One, most of the mainstream news has at least basic editorial processes in place that do a rudimentary check on truthiness. Facebook, along with some of the sketchier news outlets, are the opposite: they profit off (and optimize for) disinformation. Two, it's a matter of scale. Facebook reaches a far larger audience and has far more detail into their preferences and can nano-target personalized stories for them and c…

Have you ever watched fox? People die every day because of their anti vaccine crap. Basic editorial process.

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Post by mcguire »

keneda7 wrote: post #357
dillondoyle wrote: post #231

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I agree with holding all media accountable. But the problem with what you say is that for millions and millions 'news' is actually BS opinion shows. On both sides but from my perspective Fox & Murdoch's empire abroad has done far more harm than say Maddow preaching whatever riles that audience up. The actual press, WaPo, NyTimes (which does great docs, so does Vice imho) have rigid editorial process. Yet I still on H…

I've found this site to be pretty fair when rating media bias. It lists all the three sites as having liberal bias. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ Also I want to point out Vice gave a known murderer a national interview for him to push his fake narrative. Meanwhile there was an actual video and pictures of the killing that completely blew away any notion this was anything other that a murder. Michael Reinoehl hide b…

"Now, I know there are some polls out there saying [George W. Bush] has a 32 percent approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in reality. And reality has a well-known liberal bias ... Sir, pay no attention to the people who say the glass is half empty, [...] because 32 percent means it's two-thirds empty. There's still some liquid in that glass, is my point. But I wouldn't drink it. The last third is usually backwash."

(And what is the Vice article an example of? Presenting both sides of an issue?)

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