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Post by AzzieElbab »

m0zg wrote: post #251
viscanti wrote: post #201

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Anyone capable of that level of introspection is unlikely to be someone who is on the wrong end of misinformation. If the solution is for everyone to identify misinformation and to block it, then the criticisms of social media platforms are legitimate. Only those who are the least likely to be effected would be the ones opting out.

We live in a world where nearly _all_ information fed to the public is misinformation. Except in one case it's due to FB and in another it's 5 dudes who own the entirety of US (and large chunk of the world's) "free" press. In this narrative-rich, (nearly) fact-free environment, aside from the obvious asinine bullshit that's easily seen through, the "misinformation" becomes simply something you don't agree with. The b…

There is a book called “Hate Inc.” by Matt Taibi in which the author inadvertently argues that manufacturing consent is no longer profitable and news outlets are now in the business of manufacturing dissent.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

systemvoltage wrote: post #179
quadrifoliate wrote: post #60

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Maybe it's because Facebook has become more than a business and has wormed its way into places where it has no business being? A ton of small city governments in the US do announcements and such on Facebook these days. One columnist is advocating giving the a seats at the United Nations, and does not get immediately laughed out of the room by the editor [1]. It's really hard to practically escape their reach, all the…

Sure, this might be true but you're diverting from the point OP is making. May be it's that HN has lost it's ability to have a civil discourse without people downvoting you for the slightest challenging opinion, let alone contrarian viewpoints (which would be flagged). It used to be not like that just two years ago. It is very much reflecting a low effort echo-chamber.

> Sure, this might be true but you're diverting from the point OP is making.

I don't see how? OP is saying that the low-effort comments are more frequent on this post than on other HN posts ("...an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage"). I'm agreeing with that assertion, and positing a possible explanation for it ("people felt a fundamental sort of relief, and expressed it through offhand comments").

Your assertion, on the other hand, seems to be that these low-effort comments are present on all posts – which seems to me to be, if anything, more of a diversion from OP's point of view.

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Post by EastOfTruth »

GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

HN had availability issued int he same time frame, so that isn't too surprising...

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Post by barbazoo »

aierou wrote: post #250
barbazoo wrote: post #77

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It's so much more and if you spend a significant amount of time on HN then you know it.

The implication that HN is a primary source of knowledge is disturbing.

It's a link aggregator, it being a source of information shouldn't come as a surprise.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

throwaway468236 wrote: post #203
quadrifoliate wrote: post #60

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Maybe it's because Facebook has become more than a business and has wormed its way into places where it has no business being? A ton of small city governments in the US do announcements and such on Facebook these days. One columnist is advocating giving the a seats at the United Nations, and does not get immediately laughed out of the room by the editor [1]. It's really hard to practically escape their reach, all the…

In the UK the COVID vaccine was offered nationally through a government site but you could get it sooner and closer through local GPs. They could stop once they had covered the old and vulnerable though. In my area, they carried on for a while but only if you requested an appointment in the comments of a private Facebook group. I wasn't thrilled by the delay, but also thought the assumption of vaccine hesitancy from…

Yes, I saw Facebook being a gateway (and a potential roadblock) to requesting vaccines from some US pharmacies last year as well. You had to post in the comments to reserve one or make an appointment.

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Post by OJFord »

dvtrn wrote: post #216
thepasswordis wrote: post #190

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Apparently: https://nationaltoday.com/national-pizza-month/ But honestly: who cares. Any excuse to eat some pizza is good enough for me!

I picked an awful month to start dieting…again

Pizza isn't really/doesn't have to be that unhealthy. Fast food takeaway pizza is of course, but 'pizza' is redundant in that.

Pretty much all that makes a homemade or otherwise decent pizza less healthy than a sandwich is the amount of it one typically eats in a sitting. Or of course if you for some reason pile unhealthy stuff high on your pizzas, but stuff your sandwiches with the height of nutrition. But I assume that would be uncommon.

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Post by ergocoder »

fleddr wrote: post #103
boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

Twitter is the real warzone.

If you are moderately famous, anything will be controversial.

You can say "water is good for you", and I can guarantee you that someone will reply with "actually, my friend drank too much water and died". Then, the drama would ensue.

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Post by OJFord »

seoulmetro wrote: post #261
indianpianist wrote: post #188

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> Somebody got a new pizza oven for National pizza month There's a national pizza month?

There's a "day" or "month" for everything these days. It's just how globalisation blends with capitalism. People are more herd like than ever before.

It's just marketing, I don't see what globalisation particularly has to do with it. Capitalism perhaps, but only to the (debatable) extent that it's responsible for marketing.

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Post by aerosmile »

fleddr wrote: post #103
boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

Facebook is like a mirror. If you want to learn about yourself, look at your feed. If you see a bunch of political stuff, then it turns out that you had a weakness for political content. If you see a bunch of kittens, then you were overindexing in how you interacted with that content compared to alternatives.

It's not too different from alcohol. Two different people start drinking a lot of beer in college. One grows out of it, the other becomes an alcoholic. All things being same, the latter person had a more addictive personality and should have been more careful with alcohol.

To extend the alcohol analogy - some people wanted to prohibit it, but ultimately it's still here and it's just heavily regulated. You're not allowed to have it when you're young or when you're driving. Your friends will think poorly of you if you have too much of it too frequently. I wouldn't be surprised if social networks end up in a similar place.

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