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Post by viscanti »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #150
enkid wrote: post #127

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I think the question is, how do you keep the good and get rid of the bad? I think there's a lot of great things that social media has done to connect people, but all too often it's only a shallow or artificial connection. I think the other problem is that social media will make you find people "like" you. Humans have always sought that out, but there was always some variance that allowed us to remember that others un…

Don’t read political posts from sources you do not know/trust?

Anyone capable of that level of introspection is unlikely to be someone who is on the wrong end of misinformation. If the solution is for everyone to identify misinformation and to block it, then the criticisms of social media platforms are legitimate. Only those who are the least likely to be effected would be the ones opting out.

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Post by throwaway468236 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #60
GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

Maybe it's because Facebook has become more than a business and has wormed its way into places where it has no business being? A ton of small city governments in the US do announcements and such on Facebook these days. One columnist is advocating giving the a seats at the United Nations, and does not get immediately laughed out of the room by the editor [1]. It's really hard to practically escape their reach, all the…

In the UK the COVID vaccine was offered nationally through a government site but you could get it sooner and closer through local GPs. They could stop once they had covered the old and vulnerable though. In my area, they carried on for a while but only if you requested an appointment in the comments of a private Facebook group.

I wasn't thrilled by the delay, but also thought the assumption of vaccine hesitancy from others in the meantime and hard to navigate process could put some off entirely.

But for everyone else, what a sign-up incentive!

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Post by bamboozled »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #130
md2020 wrote: post #68

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That’s simplifying it a lot.

There has been tons of use for it for hate, but people have found a way to use every method of communication for hate (e.g. TV, Mail, phones) and efforts to crack down on hate on Facebook haven’t seemed to have an effect on hate in the real world (see the people banned from Facebook who went on to use other platforms to coordinate 1/6). I don’t like their privacy intrusions but people seem to have a tendency to blame…

It's also global targeted advertisement delivery network who tracks user around the internet without consent?

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Post by starik36 »

boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

> so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angy, and harmful messaging on FB platforms

And yet, you are still on them.

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Post by ksaj »

fleddr wrote: post #103
boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

I feel that way about Twitter. Lots of people in my feed complain about the baggage that dominates their feeds. Mine has none.

There is only one person who was bringing baggage (all men are terrible people, here is a never-ending stream of examples of what they do to make me so bitter) so I just muted them. Other than that person, the people who I've chosen to interact with don't bring these negative experiences, and hopefully appreciate that I likewise don't bring it to them.

Someone else in this thread posted a similar observation to some of the people in my Twitter feed. I personally think most people already know you can refuse to follow and can mute those who make for such negative experiences. If you participate in it, of course it's going to feel that way.

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Post by prawn »

thepasswordis wrote: post #167
fleddr wrote: post #103

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It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

I'm from the US and have the same experience. Just glancing at my feed it's: Somebody celebrating getting out of rehab. Somebody heading to Italy for vacation. Somebody going in a hot air balloon. Somebody going to Santa Fe for vacation and asking for things to do. Somebody said last night was one of the best nights of their life. Somebody sharing progress updates on their offgrid homestead. Somebody got a new pizza…

I wonder how much this is country-specific. I always see Americans decry the content on Twitter. I'm in Australia and follow mostly Australians. I'm sure there is outrage somewhere, but I don't see much in my feed.

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Post by Spooky23 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #167
fleddr wrote: post #103

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It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

I'm from the US and have the same experience. Just glancing at my feed it's: Somebody celebrating getting out of rehab. Somebody heading to Italy for vacation. Somebody going in a hot air balloon. Somebody going to Santa Fe for vacation and asking for things to do. Somebody said last night was one of the best nights of their life. Somebody sharing progress updates on their offgrid homestead. Somebody got a new pizza…

It sounds like you have a curated Facebook feed, and alot of shit on your Twitter feed.

The difference is that Facebook will more aggressively push crap at you. Twitter feeds tend to rot over time.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

fleddr wrote: post #103
boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

Yep. I wouldn't say that there's no politics on my FB feed. But it's all either liberal or socialist -- because that's the consensus among my friends. And none of it is particularly nasty even when it falls out of that. It just doesn't get controversial.

Also, not from the US. From Canada.

Where I see the nastiness is when politics leaks into various hobby topic groups I'm on. And it's almost always Americans raising a stink (mad about masks, vaccines, "libtards" whatever)

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Post by batch12 »

mahathu wrote: post #173
literallyaduck wrote: post #114

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The public is tired of being gaslighted and lied to by large corporations. The whistle-blower only brought to light what we have known previously, Facebook is a net loss for humanity. Letting people contect with family and long lost friends is good. Purposefully pitting people against each other, human experimentation https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook... , creating hateful echo chambers, cl…

In Germany, each year a committee of linguists select an "un-word of the year". "Gaslit" should be the internet unword of the decade. It has no scientific relevance and shouldn't be used when perfectly fine alternatives like "lied to" or "manipulated" exist. They just don't sound as dramatic I guess.

I agree that the misuse is annoying-- and a Lot of people misuse the word. However, gaslighting has a specific meaning not quite covered by "lied to" or "manipulated".
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