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Post by bawolff »

blibble wrote: post #73
bawolff wrote: post #59

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Talk about shooting the messanger. All the bad people still exist. Its not like fb the platform solely created them or that they will just go away if that particular platform disappeared.

it's not shooting the messenger because it's a curated experience to maximise ad revenue and should be regulated as such

So? Do you think its the only curated experience to maximize ad revenue on the internet (not to mention the non digital world).

If you want to argue underregulated capitalism is bad, by all means, but lets not pretend that there aren't hundreds of websites waiting to take facebook's place if fb's downtime went on for more than a few days.

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Post by callalex »

OJFord wrote: post #78
GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

Yes, and as a submission I don't really see the point in it? Especially when it's not even a status page permalink (couldn't be, that was down too apparently). Post mortems very welcome of course. It's just karma bait as far as I can tell, and as you say, almost entirely uninteresting comments. There are/were a couple of other at least briefly front page submissions around it of e.g. twitter/reddit potentially-leaked…

Useless comments don’t make the topic being discussed useless to know about. This outage has arguably impacted more human lives than any other in computing history. I can’t back that up with facts yet, but you must agree it is a notable event for this community that has had ripples across the internet and real life.

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Post by mahathu »

literallyaduck wrote: post #114
GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

The public is tired of being gaslighted and lied to by large corporations. The whistle-blower only brought to light what we have known previously, Facebook is a net loss for humanity. Letting people contect with family and long lost friends is good. Purposefully pitting people against each other, human experimentation https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook... , creating hateful echo chambers, cl…

In Germany, each year a committee of linguists select an "un-word of the year". "Gaslit" should be the internet unword of the decade. It has no scientific relevance and shouldn't be used when perfectly fine alternatives like "lied to" or "manipulated" exist. They just don't sound as dramatic I guess.

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Post by wly_cdgr »

asd4232 wrote: post #156
wly_cdgr wrote: post #92

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Facebook is very far from perfect, but it brings a lot of good to the world as well. I met my partner of almost five years thanks to Facebook's friend recommendation algorithms. I had never met them outside of Facebook and we didn't have any friends in common outside Facebook either. In fact, when we met, we lived on opposite coasts. I will always be grateful to Zuck & Co. for that, and for the hundreds of other frie…

"Facebook is the best site in the world for dating and for expanding your social horizons/circle" Maybe for boomers and some emerging markets. It appears to be losing popularity very fast among younger folks in most Western countries. Not that alternatives are much better IMO, Twitter in particular is even worse. Nothing beats going out and talking to real people. It gives you a competitive advantage over the masses…

I'm a boomer; that may well be a fair point

I do think Facebook has something really valuable over in person interaction: you can observe how a potential SO interacts with a wide variety of other people

Also, I like that it's async. But that's more of a personal preference

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Post by cephei »

Does HN have any Facebook integrations that could have caused the slowness seen earlier? Or it could be that some part of the network infrastructure is shared between the two and was overloaded.

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Post by AlbertCory »

300bps wrote: post #138
fleddr wrote: post #103

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It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

I'm from the U.S. and your experience matches mine. I just have like 1 niece, 1 cousin and a friend or two that I had to unfollow. I'm still friends with them, I just don't see any of the political stuff they post. I know some people have like 500+ friends or even the max of 5,000. I keep my friend list to the 250 people I know in real life that I want to keep in touch with. Probably still melting my brain but I'm co…

Exactly. 150 or so for me, but the ones who insist on being political all the time have long since been muted or unfriended.

And who do you know who still sends Christmas cards? That was for those people that you never see IRL. Now they're FB friends.

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Post by elzbardico »

fleddr wrote: post #103
boplicity wrote: post #22

During the time Facebook (and related properties) have been unavailable, I can't help but feel a little better about the world. There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angry, and harmful messaging on FB platforms. It's nice to know all of that crap is just....gone. At least for a little while.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

The thing is: if you ever engaged with political posts, facebook will make sure to show you political posts for the rest of your life, and the more likely to upset you, the better.

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Post by systemvoltage »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #60
GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

Maybe it's because Facebook has become more than a business and has wormed its way into places where it has no business being? A ton of small city governments in the US do announcements and such on Facebook these days. One columnist is advocating giving the a seats at the United Nations, and does not get immediately laughed out of the room by the editor [1]. It's really hard to practically escape their reach, all the…

Sure, this might be true but you're diverting from the point OP is making. May be it's that HN has lost it's ability to have a civil discourse without people downvoting you for the slightest challenging opinion, let alone contrarian viewpoints (which would be flagged). It used to be not like that just two years ago. It is very much reflecting a low effort echo-chamber.

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Post by wly_cdgr »

kilroy123 wrote: post #158
wly_cdgr wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is very far from perfect, but it brings a lot of good to the world as well. I met my partner of almost five years thanks to Facebook's friend recommendation algorithms. I had never met them outside of Facebook and we didn't have any friends in common outside Facebook either. In fact, when we met, we lived on opposite coasts. I will always be grateful to Zuck & Co. for that, and for the hundreds of other frie…

How do you date on Facebook? I barely ever use it these days, but I would never connect with strangers on there. I feel like I'm missing something here.

Friend randoms and get to know them over time through public wall interactions; switch to DMs if things are clicking

I've sent thousands of FB friend requests to strangers suggested by the algo; the vast majority accept. I have met some of my favorite people in the world this way. Also some huge assholes/crazies, of course. Sometimes they are the same people

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