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The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by 100011_100001 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #53
100011_100001 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make it sound like this only happens on the democratic side. Republicans have similar echo chambers. I think conformity happens within circles. Then it's a question how big the circle is. I agree with your main concern though, online vs real life credit systems.

I am a non-American who is right of centre, and I can see "my" people adapting cancel culture tactics as well, and I resent it. IMHO such victories are rotten to the core. "Shall there be two cities of Minas Morgul, grinning at each other across a dead land filled with rottenness?" The only thing I can do about it is to interact civilly with like-minded people of totally different political persuasions and hope that…

I live in the States but wasn't raised here. One of the things you might not know is that unless you live in a middle east or China, right of center is left in the States.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by BitwiseFool »

virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #90
cm2187 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical c…

Wait where do you have to "demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment" to apply to college

It's not like there is some peer reviewed study I can cite for you, but in my own anecdotal experience one of my admissions essays needed to be about "what Diversity means to me". I, of course, said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread because I can't help but think a neutral or contrarian viewpoint would instantly get my application rejected. One of my Gen. Ed. requirements was to take a course that was flagged as co-curricular with "Human Diversity". And, the school I went to isn't even considered that liberal.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by ARandomerDude »

devit wrote: post #73
wonderwonder wrote: post #14

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Just don't express yourself online non-anonymously, and in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed.

> in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed

How do you do that? There are cameras in

- grocery stores

- restaurants

- gas stations

- other cars on the road

- banks

- hospitals

- pharmacies

- pretty much everyone's pocket

- everywhere else

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by retrac »

virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #90
cm2187 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical c…

Wait where do you have to "demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment" to apply to college

On the sections for extracurricular activities, volunteering, etc. where you try to make yourself look saintly. Just guessing, but six months volunteering at a homeless shelter for refugees will probably help your admissions more than six months volunteering to catalogue 19th century clogs at a museum.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by faddypaddy34 »

dudul wrote: post #84
wussboy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the primary reasons I stay off of social media. There is not forgetting, no opportunity to learn and grow and change and develop.

What's gonna happen when having social media accounts in good standing is required to open a bank account, or take a loan or get an insurance?

While not that widespread yet it is there in some context. For instance regularly miss out on news and updates from.various organizations I was once very active in because they have almost completely migrated to Facebook. A lot of extracurricular activities as well as schools require some sort of social media be it Google, or Facebook to stay plugged into events and check one students progress.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by andrepd »

cm2187 wrote: post #82
wonderwonder wrote: post #14

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical c…

> Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment to apply.

And... is this the case today? Do universities exclude your application or scrutinise your political beliefs?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by yepthetruth »

ta1234567890 wrote: post #43
InitialLastName wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Publicly espousing an unpopular opinion now can be career suicide Let's not pretend this is new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist The difference now is that visibility is more uniformly distributed across the population.

YC has a blacklist of people and companies. Not sure what will land you there, but I know they have it and use it.

Yep. If you say anything bad about Paul Graham or any YC people/companies, you’ll end up on this list. YC companies can and do also sic the network on rivals. There are also some YC partners with personal grudges and hurt egos that go out of their way to fight with people. Some will even pivot teams to compete with people who have bested them in the past. YC is a super shady org.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jl6 wrote: post #75
nixpulvis wrote: post #47

Let's use Gender as a quick example, why not? A few years ago, I couldn't have said I thought about it at all. For better and for worse, it wasn't part of the discourse. Now, I'm not all that different, yet it comes up again and again. I'm often forced to choose a side, even when it's all hypotheticals and virtues. I feel forced because online media is permanent, each statement is my closing argument. When the litiga…

Social media might be doing you more harm than good? Offline surely isn’t like this for you too is it?

As the presentation notes, in some circles it is. I absolutely conduct myself in public under the presumption that people in the background could jump in at any moment to make a viral video. I don't necessarily want to defend that as a matter of risk assessment, I'm probably being too neurotic about it, but the idea that I might become the country's punching bag if I say the wrong thing is just deeply distressing.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by treeman79 »

everdrive wrote: post #93
InitialLastName wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Publicly espousing an unpopular opinion now can be career suicide Let's not pretend this is new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist The difference now is that visibility is more uniformly distributed across the population.

Except that I never had a chance of being on a hollywood blacklist in the first place. I don't even use social media, and it's still possible I could say something off-color somewhere and find myself canceled.

Or not say something. Refusing to join in can be an offense.

Sort of a “join us or die” accept killing is not usually needed to shut someone down. Shunning is usually enough these days.

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