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The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#81

Let's use Gender as a quick example, why not? A few years ago, I couldn't have said I thought about it at all. For better and for worse, it wasn't part of the discourse. Now, I'm not all that different, yet it comes up again and again. I'm often forced to choose a side, even when it's all hypotheticals and virtues. I feel forced because online media is permanent, each statement is my closing argument. When the litiga…

Don’t. Think fearlessly and don’t lose the kernel of independent thought.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#82

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment to apply.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you draw the line though? Are we never allow to criticize someone for their opinions or "jokes", regardless of content or context? It's easy to just state "People should be able to make jokes or have a bad day." and while maybe that's true, I don't think we should be able to brush off all behavior by just labeling it a "bad day".

Sure we are allowed to criticize someone and if that person has voluntarily posted their content then that person opens themselves up. So much of what happens now is someone filmed without their consent and that video is then posted to social media and the person is doomed. Think of your worst moment and then imagine it was filmed and posted to social media where 100k other people shared it. Very hard to recover from…

How often does someone, let alone your potential employer, actually know (or care) the name of the person in some embarrassing viral video? It seems like a rare exception for someone to face meaningful blowback from this scenario.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#84
post #19

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

This is one of the primary reasons I stay off of social media. There is not forgetting, no opportunity to learn and grow and change and develop.

What's gonna happen when having social media accounts in good standing is required to open a bank account, or take a loan or get an insurance?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#85
post #12

Pretty rich, coming out of an organization that assaulted and chased Vincent Canfield out of CCC for . . . . owning trollish domain names. I'm sure the presenter doesn't necessarily share the Congress's values, but it's funny nonetheless.

> Pretty rich, coming out of an organization that assaulted and chased Vincent Canfield out of CCC for . . . . owning trollish domain names. Are you sure it wasn't him being an open and virulent racist[1]? Edit: I should say that I have the dubious distinction of actually haven spoken to vc for several years on IRC. He might have started as a troll, but he's failed in the way that every bad troll fails: by getting hi…

Lets turn this around: Can you produce a record of him being actually racist, not just throwing around critical humor?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#86
post #73

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Just don't express yourself online non-anonymously, and in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed.

Well, offline discussions between people you know and trust is the modern Samizdat. But it is crazy that we got there without a repressive state.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#87

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Where do you draw the line though? Are we never allow to criticize someone for their opinions or "jokes", regardless of content or context? It's easy to just state "People should be able to make jokes or have a bad day." and while maybe that's true, I don't think we should be able to brush off all behavior by just labeling it a "bad day".

If you don't know the person, why do you care? Unless it's a politician why do you care? What does it bring to your life to criticize someone on twitter for a bad joke?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#88

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

Where do you draw the line though? Are we never allow to criticize someone for their opinions or "jokes", regardless of content or context? It's easy to just state "People should be able to make jokes or have a bad day." and while maybe that's true, I don't think we should be able to brush off all behavior by just labeling it a "bad day".

At people being harassed or even losing their livelihoods. Generally people who don't put themselves in the spotlight (and the scrutiny that comes with that) shouldn't end up facing disproportionate consequences of what tends to be a few moments of bad behaviour on camera.

I recently read about a story where a woman (who happened to be white) said to some black guys "you should go back to the hood" when some sort of argument occurred between them and her. Of course it was filmed and then she was doxxed because one of the guys filming had a social following on twitter and was a "influencer". From how I interpreted the interaction from the video it seemed she didn't even really know what she said and was just exchanging words after a disagreement. Of course she lost her job after her employer was found (and probably hounded) because she said something stupid in the heat of the moment. You can argue that she shouldn't have said that and maybe she shouldn't have. However her being doxxed, harassed and losing her job because of a mob is totally disproportionate to the wrong doing.

People get flustered, nervous and say things they don't mean or they don't really think through all the time. Especially in the heat of the moment. The same happens with jokes. Someone says something that they think is funny and goes down like a lead balloon. Sometimes is embarrassing (for all involved), cringe-worthy and awkward. In the past most of this was brushed off and forgotten about. Now if you happened to be filmed and it goes viral, people will harass you and possibly have you lose your livelihood over what at the end of the day is an dumb argument or a poor sense of humour.

It is best not to have a social media presence at all IMO.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#89
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just don't express yourself online non-anonymously, and in real life don't go to places where cameras are allowed.

This would translate to do not leave the bathroom in the US, or at least do not go outside your abode.

Ironically enough, A senatress from Arizona got accosted to a bathroom with video phone cameras in order to convince (bully) her into a position.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

#90
post #82

Social media has massively amplified the penalty for making a mistake or offhand remark. People used to make tasteless jokes all the time and it was treated as it was, just a joke and life continued. Now anything out of the pale that catches the attention of some sort of influencer spells doom. Anyone caught at a bad moment on camera is pilloried, made out to be the anti christ and have people actively seeking out th…

And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical c…

Wait where do you have to "demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment" to apply to college
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