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Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

orangepanda wrote: post #63

csomar wrote: post #46

I'm a bit torn about this. I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. Apple's devices are quite expensive. iCloud locking have made them worth less in the black-market, but the components are still worth something. This will make Apple's devices worth next to nothing in the black marke…

> I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts? Tesla supposedly has the same problem with spare parts being…

> They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts?

Since they already sell hundreds of millions of devices a year, I'd say yes.

Do you think that if demand for whole devices increased worldwide, Apple wouldn't be able to fulfill it?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by danuker » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #112

chmod775 wrote: post #73

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> where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable. Careful, if Louis Rossmann reads that you may give him a sudden case of apoplexy. The only thing "fairly reasonable" about what Apple likes to charge is that you fairly reasonably may as well just buy a new phone.

I've broken iPhones around 10 times. Not a single time was the cost of repair even close to the cost of a new phone.

How did you break them?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by danuker » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #109

Nextgrid wrote: post #99

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Can't you "replay" that data physically by creating a face mask matching the captured data and then presenting it to a legitimate sensor? IMO the security of the system is that the 3D face data is reasonably secret (you probably can't reconstruct it from a single picture, you'd need pictures from all angles) and the SOC only allows a few attempts before falling back to passcode. If you have the face data, you don't n…

Exactly because you could have a fake camera that could collect your info and make it accessible for an installed app that would upload it for an hostile server. The original camera doesn’t give you access to this data, a counterfeited one possibly could.

That is absurd. What data is to a face, other than its appearance from various angles? That can be obtained from photos of the person.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

shartacct wrote: post #127

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #61

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How about places where there are no first party iPhone repair shops? There are aplenty of those.

You mean apple stores? They're everywhere that matter. That said, I still won't buy an iphone until they at least get rid of lightning. It's extreme ridiculous that apple would keep a proprietary connector after migrating the rest of their product stack over to usbc. I have a pixel 3 currently and will certainly never buy another android phone again, the biggest issues I've had don't exist on iphones at all, namely a…

The closest Appstore to me is ~2500km and over the border. Dozens of Millions of people here don't matter, apparently.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by franga2000 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

shartacct wrote: post #129

franga2000 wrote: post #32

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This would be a non-issue if you could just buy the replacement screen (or any other part) from Apple or their manufacturers directly, no? Sure, it's nice if the phone can tell you that a part is non-genuine in case you got scammed, but the fact that this is even a problem is because Apple refuses to sell parts and makes repair even using genuine parts as difficult as possible. They created a problem, then "solved" i…

You can. https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/screen-repla... > The Apple Store and many of our Apple Authorized Service Providers offer same-day service for screen replacement. The pricing available here (for guaranteed new, genuine parts and labor) is actually cheaper than the cost of genuine replacement screens available on ebay at first glance, the first genuine iphone 11 screen I found on ebay that wa…

That's repair, not parts, and it's only screens, not any of the other many parts that often fail.

Of course the pricing is lower than buying an ebay screen, because apple won't sell you a screen, so sellers on ebay have to procure them illegally. Again, a problem that apple iself created.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by gruez » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

cassianoleal wrote: post #115

barry-cotter wrote: post #106

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Have you so little respect for people that you think they are all thieves? In India and China, countries in which most of the top 10% by income would fall below the US poverty line most people never steal. Theft is not mostly about poverty.

Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. I agree that most people will not steal. That's been my experience of growing up in a country with rampant poverty and inequality (and crime). That said, the more people are in need, the more incentive for them to look for solutions outside of a system that has inherently failed them and the people they know. I h…

> Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality.

Source?

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by tjoff » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #131

orangepanda wrote: post #63

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> I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts? Tesla supposedly has the same problem with spare parts being…

> They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts? Since they already sell hundreds of millions of devices a year, I'd say yes. Do you think that if demand for whole devices increased worldwide, Apple wouldn't be able to fulfill it?

Well, the incentives are not that great - since the alternative is to sell a whole new phone and noone can use the old one.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by nicce » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #131

orangepanda wrote: post #63

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> I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts? Tesla supposedly has the same problem with spare parts being…

> They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts? Since they already sell hundreds of millions of devices a year, I'd say yes. Do you think that if demand for whole devices increased worldwide, Apple wouldn't be able to fulfill it?

> Do you think that if demand for whole devices increased worldwide, Apple wouldn't be able to fulfill it?

They aren’t able, as the current situation is living proof from that. Note the ongoing chip/semiconductor crisis.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by 0x000000001 » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #19

0x000000001 wrote: post #13

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My phone is an appliance and I'm perfectly fine with that. I dread owning another computer I have the responsibility of maintaining. We are drowning in "computers" these days.

Toasters and dishwashers can be fixed. Your phone is a service .

Household appliance is not the same thing.

A Juniper firewall is an appliance.

A NetApp SAN is an appliance.

An Ooma VOIP phone system is an appliance.

A Kindle is an appliance.

A Nest thermostat is an appliance.

These things are not general purpose computers. They are custom fabbed hardware with vendor supported software and are not user repairable. They do one job and they do it well. At the end of their service life you replace them.

My iPhone is an appliance and I prefer it that way.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Post by mensetmanusman » Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

ir123 wrote: post #125

mensetmanusman wrote: post #91

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Not sure. If you add up damages from theft, by far the rich and powerful steal more in absolute terms.

But that's not petty theft

Not necessarily, insider trading steals a dollar from a few million people. It is petty theft at scale.