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It also presumably further discourages theft since it negatively impacts the ability to “part out” stolen devices to work around activation locks. Basically once the owner remotely locks the stolen device, it becomes almost worthless until it’s back in the owner’s possession.
This looks to me like a tradeoff we collectively haven’t agreed upon for any other device. To take the perennial car analogy, car theft is a widespread enough phenomenon, but we haven’t settled on breaking central functionalities each time a repair is done outside network. To push a bit further, steeply lowering phone price would also critically deter theft, why not go that option if it’s that important ?
iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually there is another good reason for this, and that is preventing theft. What is the point of stealing an iPhone 13 if you can't just sell the phone on (because of iCloud lock) and you can't chop-shop any of the expensive parts because they're all cryptographically registered?
This is true, but there is absolutely a solution here that Apple could implement: verification of users who want genuine replacement parts. Apple could empower their customers to be good citizens of the earth who want to reduce electronic waste while simultaneously making the lives of thieves difficult.
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#123Paying a few hundred $ for a phone that lasts for just a couple of years never made sense in the first place. The amount of e-waste generated is insane, 'right to repair' and 'responsible use of capital and resources' go hand in hand. Phones could easily last a decade.
Except most people are not doing that.. I've seen quite a few iPhone 6, & 6s around and those devices are 7, 6 years old respectively. Its not too much different to the car industry, you will always have a class of people who like to chop and change, they may be more the enthusiast market, but many will just use it until it dies or becomes an issue and repairing it isn't worth it.
In my circles buying a new iPhone every 2 years is fast becoming a thing of the past
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#124Paying a few hundred $ for a phone that lasts for just a couple of years never made sense in the first place. The amount of e-waste generated is insane, 'right to repair' and 'responsible use of capital and resources' go hand in hand. Phones could easily last a decade.
> Paying a few hundred $ for a phone that lasts for just a couple of years never made sense in the first place Except most people are not doing that.. I've seen quite a few iPhone 6, & 6s around and those devices are 7, 6 years old respectively. Its not too much different to the car industry, you will always have a class of people who like to chop and change, they may be more the enthusiast market, but many will just…
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Petty theft is more an issue of economic inequality. If the criminal had an incentive for being honorable citizens, then theft would not happen.
Not sure. If you add up damages from theft, by far the rich and powerful steal more in absolute terms.
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But Apple literally does repair my phone when I drop it?
You mean if you pay 10$ per month for AppleCare? I dont pay for it but I have helped friends file claims with Apple, and they usually just ship back a brand new device instead of actually repairing the device. Even for things like screen damage. You can tell because small scratches on the back screen from normal use are gone upon return.
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#127Am I the only one who is happy that Apple is taking away the right to repair? From my experience, almost all third party iPhone repair shops are filled with untrustworthy people who disregards their ethics for such a little money.
How about places where there are no first party iPhone repair shops? There are aplenty of those.
That said, I still won't buy an iphone until they at least get rid of lightning. It's extreme ridiculous that apple would keep a proprietary connector after migrating the rest of their product stack over to usbc. I have a pixel 3 currently and will certainly never buy another android phone again, the biggest issues I've had don't exist on iphones at all, namely apps being randomly killed or crashing on open due to running out of RAM and the battery degrading quickly (lost ~10% in 1 1/2 years of light use, not using the phone in any extremely cold or hot conditions and only trickle charging).
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There certainly is a way out of this: don't buy shitty replacements. You could still get your display replaced by a legit service before Apple introduced verifications. You might prefer that someone else takes care of your broken phone, but why'd you want to force that on everybody?
“Legit service” stores actually can get the genuine parts and software though. This mainly affects DIY repair.
Also, there are more people taking their devices to "non-legit" stores than people attempting DIY screen repairs.
Also, how on earth is bricking my phone (that I paid for) a more desirable outcome than letting me use an inferior display (that I paid for)?
Also, what about all the cases where fake replacements are actually better (e.g. swapping out a 220Hz PWM ThinkPad display for a flicker-free one)?
I honestly believe people who defend such company policies are just more focused on staying positive than on making a good argument (can't blame them, either).
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#129I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…
This would be a non-issue if you could just buy the replacement screen (or any other part) from Apple or their manufacturers directly, no? Sure, it's nice if the phone can tell you that a part is non-genuine in case you got scammed, but the fact that this is even a problem is because Apple refuses to sell parts and makes repair even using genuine parts as difficult as possible. They created a problem, then "solved" i…
https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/screen-repla...
> The Apple Store and many of our Apple Authorized Service Providers offer same-day service for screen replacement.
The pricing available here (for guaranteed new, genuine parts and labor) is actually cheaper than the cost of genuine replacement screens available on ebay at first glance, the first genuine iphone 11 screen I found on ebay that wasn't a chinese offbrand or used assembly is $235 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/174952166934) whereas apple quotes $199 for a new 11 screen and replacement service.
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#130Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.
Why then does apple not offer to take these phones (without compensation) and refurb them to be resold, by Apple. This way there is no incentives for thieves as Apple will not give them a dime however these phones are not part of the huge trash pile that is being generated.
Doing it without the meagre compensation they give now would be deeply unethical, Tesla tried something like that recently when a story emerged that someone was quoted for full out of warranty battery replacement for a broken cooling hose fitting on their cars battery and they refused to give any core charge even though the battery itself was still fully functional (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-OkfCcRAo).