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iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#61

Am I the only one who is happy that Apple is taking away the right to repair? From my experience, almost all third party iPhone repair shops are filled with untrustworthy people who disregards their ethics for such a little money.

How about places where there are no first party iPhone repair shops? There are aplenty of those.

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#62

Yet more reasons why I won't give apple any of my money. I can only see one benefit of this to the consumer. If you maybe happen to be a target of some spy agency who manage to get your phone and need to drop some component into it to spy on you, that isnt going to be easy now. /s Genuinely no need for this other than making apple more money.

Would you rather give your money to Google, the company that is what it is today through turning their users' information into products to sell to the highest bidder?

Apple gives a shit about your privacy.

Why is that upsetting to you?

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#63
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I'm a bit torn about this. I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control. Apple's devices are quite expensive. iCloud locking have made them worth less in the black-market, but the components are still worth something. This will make Apple's devices worth next to nothing in the black marke…

> I think a good compromise is for Apple to offer selling "genuine parts" to anyone who practically wants it; and maybe, allow changing parts once the main owner release control.

They sell hundreds of millions of devices each year. A problem I haven’t seen discussed much — could Apple’s suppliers actually deliver enough parts for new phones and spare parts?

Tesla supposedly has the same problem with spare parts being unavailable, as everything goes into new products.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are voting with their wallets. They are voting they don't care.

Not caring at time of purchase doesn’t mean they don’t grumble and curse the brand later on after an experience where the phone breaks and the options are limited to a costly manufacturer repair. I consider myself an iPhone person, my current phone is an iPhone 12 Pro Max so I paid a pretty penny to Apple for it, it’s also insured, but it still doesn’t mean I won’t condemn Apple for making dubious decisions that hurt…

Right, but then, if you go and buy another iPhone, does it really matter that you "condemn Apple"? From their point of view, you're a happy customer, since you're coming back!

Now even if Apple hears people cursing them and grumbling on forums, the fact that they keep on buying their product means that it's not enough of an issue for them to stop buying it.

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#65

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

Couldn't you just steal the complete phone, reset it, then resell it?

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#66

Paying a few hundred $ for a phone that lasts for just a couple of years never made sense in the first place. The amount of e-waste generated is insane, 'right to repair' and 'responsible use of capital and resources' go hand in hand. Phones could easily last a decade.

They do last longer than a couple of years, and _are_ supported too: I have an iPhone 6s around the house that I use to play music over Bluetooth, and it just got the iOS 15 update. iPhone 6s was released in 2015.

The only problem with it is the battery. It could use a replacement, but since I don't use it as the main device, I don't much care. Otherwise, it works perfectly fine.

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#67
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I have to defend Apple for these verification checks. I bought replacement display online and replaced it myself, after I was all done found the display was fake based on bad colors. It was old iPhone which didn't have fake component detection, I traded in that phone and now somebody else has iPhone with poor display. iPhones get used for longer period of time by multiple users and they carry high resale value, if th…

> I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty.

Why? Why can't I make that decision myself? If I'm fine with a cheaper display, why should apple disallow me from doing that?

If they sold their spare parts in their own store, everyone could make the decision whether they want genuine or 3rd party replacement parts themselves. The phone could tell you when the part is not genuine, so you could get your money back from everyone who sold you a non-grnuir parts as genuine. No reason to block the functionality of the phone.

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I have another hypothesis also that this is done for security reasons. Imagine yo are at a risk of high-profile spying. You lose your phone and then it reappears somehow - you should no longer trust your phone if these security features weren't in place. Maybe, just maybe, it's one of the reasons Apple does this.

>I have another hypothesis also that this is done for security reasons. It always boggled my mind how much mental gymnastics, the supposedly tech-savy HN userbase is willing to do, to defend their favorite computer brand's anti-repair and anti-consumer practices as "security". Let me break down your argument: Firstly, if you're at risk of high profile spying, you should know better than to use any Apple/Google/Micros…

I see your point, except the world doesn't end in the US and the country's three-letter agencies. There are countries outside of the US that might have their own goals and ways of achieving them (see the Pegasus scandal for example).

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#69

so freaking weird, even if you change only the cable between the display and the motherboard the phone knows and stops working properly. how do they even do that ? I assumed the cable doesn't have any logic or chips in it.

There is no separate "cable" between the display and the motherboard. The "cable" is integral to the display. It's an extension of the flexible PCB on which other electronics is mounted as well.

The video is kind of vague about it, but when they are talking about "replacing the cable" they mean replacing the whole thing. The display obviously includes lots of logic that, among other things, stores display's serial number. Same with the sensors mounted on the display.

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#70

Pretty disingenuous for this guy not to mention the potential benefits of such measures, namely: iPhones become pretty much worthless on the black market, discouraging theft. I'm more worried about someone stealing my phone (where the cost is the whole value of the device) than I am about breaking the phone (usually my fault) where the cost when repaired by Apple is fairly reasonable.

Why then does apple not offer to take these phones (without compensation) and refurb them to be resold, by Apple. This way there is no incentives for thieves as Apple will not give them a dime however these phones are not part of the huge trash pile that is being generated.
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